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As mentioned earlier in the week, Shalize Manza Young and Greg Bedard both stated that the initial plan in the offseason was to move McCourty to safety full-time, but they ended up changing their minds due to what they saw as a lack of depth at the CB position.
No. That is not reporting the plan that is their OPINION. It is not based upon information from the team.
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That's the story that they are reporting, and I think (not 100% sure) that Tom Curran may have also mentioned it too as the 3rd reporter to make that statement. Curran's assessment was the the potential downfall/backslide at the CB position from moving McCourty to safety was so slim that they probably would be better off permanently moving him. In other words, McCourty really hasn't been playing that much better than the other options at CB--at least in Curran's opinion.
And Curran is wrong. For some reason he has something against McCourty and it is obvious from his biased commentary on him.
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It will be interesting to see what happens not only tomorrow, but also down the line.My personal feeling is that we need to immediately shore up the safety position, and moving McCourty there will do it.
With no one else to play safety today, yes, but going forward, McCourty is a corner. He has had an excellent season.
Last week, late in the first quarter a pass was completed on Dennard, and some guy behind me yells, "McCourty again, get him off the field he sucks". This is the McCourty dilemma. In a game where teams complete 25+ passes in a typical game, one single pass caught on Mccourty (in this case not even on him) is 'proof' that he sucks and see I told you so.
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And for the OP, mgteich---the much better question would be "what to do with Kyle Arrington?" You somehow point out the Sterling Moore has been so bad (notice you didn't feel that way after he did well with proper safety help on Larry Fitzgerald holding him to 1 reception for 4 yards on a total of 4 targets)
Moore stopped Fitzgerald?
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I agree that Moore hasn't looked too good for the most part (outside of the first 2 games where he looked totally fine, and the other game that he missed), but I also think that the scheme where he was beat with Demarius Thomas was due to a blown safety assignment. There just isn't any way that Bill Belichick is pathetically stupid enough to put Sterling Moore one-on-one with the super speedy young WR1 from Denver without giving him any safety help at all. I just could not imagine someone so smart and seeing him in practice every day purposely accepting the fact that he'd be going one-on-one against Peyton Manning and his #1 target...do you?
Moore is not a good football player. Sorry, but it is what it is.
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Arrington, on the other hand--has looked ridiculous. He's giving up a perfect 158 opposing QB rating, and that's coming off last year where he was the 2nd worst CB in yardage allowed, behind your "much better option at CB---Devin McCourty."
PFF stats are useless. Yes Arrington has been bad, but Moore wouldn't be doing any better.
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How much worse can it really get having Moore out there as opposed to Arrington? Honestly?? At least we'd know that Moore is only going to be out there about 50% of the time, whereas Arrington is going to move to the slot when Moore comes in anyway, thus equaling almost every single snap.
You lost me here. How is Arrington on the field 100% of the time if he is replaced by Moore? Aren't you suggesting it is Moore who should be on the field 100% of the time?
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They both aren't going to be the answer, so it really doesn't matter. The team is going to have to make due with what they have.
We can be OK with either of them, or Cole in the nickel once we have a full roster at safety and can move McCourty back to corner. If the safeties come back and play effectively, the corner position will look much better. Neither of these guys are a preferred option, but as a nickel we can get by just fine with them. Its the other 10 guys on the field that have to be better too.
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McCourty plays the ball better when everything is in front of him and is a solid tackler.. Those two things SCREAM safety..
If Ras I was healthy or maybe we actually drafted someone without an injury history and had a positional/defensive coach who could coach up players (Sorry Matty P but you stink), McCourty would be playing his natural position.. But unfortunately we are stuck with McCourty doing his best impression at Corner and watching Chung miss assignments (when he's on the field)
And am I in the minority with Gregory? I don't see anything out there that makes me feel warm and cozy.. I almost fall over laughing when I hear people/writers say he sets up the back end of the defense.. We play a vanilla defense that has ranked in the bottom for years.. I'm not seeing it..
We disagree with regard to where Moore would cause the most harm. Having Arrington as a starting corner and Moore as our nickel seems very dangerous to me.
Yes, we will be atrocious at safety if Moore starts. We will also be atrocious at corner if Arrington starts at corner and Moore is our nickel.
I agree that your plan is likely to be what happens: move McCourty to safety until either Chung or Gregory is back. This seems to be the 2 injury scenario.
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I think until Gregory or Chung are back, we have no one else to play safety.
You are the only person I see who considers Moore a safety in any way. The team certainly seems not to.
I agree we are better at corner with McCourty, but we are atrocious at S without him.
Ebner is not an NFL safety.
Mccourty and Dennard at CB. Wilson and Ebner at S. I agree MG, moving Mccourty to S is just waiting for disaster to happen. That'd leave us with Arrington, Dennard, and Moore as the 3 CBs.
Ebner doesn't suck, he's just as raw as you can get. He can't suck much more than Chung though.
Mccourty and Dennard at CB. Wilson and Ebner at S. I agree MG, moving Mccourty to S is just waiting for disaster to happen. That'd leave us with Arrington, Dennard, and Moore as the 3 CBs.
Ebner doesn't suck, he's just as raw as you can get. He can't suck much more than Chung though.
Chung?? I guess we are watching different games.. V Nice guy but like Bedard said today, AVG at best.. And thats when he is healthy..
No. That is not reporting the plan that is their OPINION. It is not based upon information from the team.
And Curran is wrong. For some reason he has something against McCourty and it is obvious from his biased commentary on him.
With no one else to play safety today, yes, but going forward, McCourty is a corner. He has had an excellent season.
Last week, late in the first quarter a pass was completed on Dennard, and some guy behind me yells, "McCourty again, get him off the field he sucks". This is the McCourty dilemma. In a game where teams complete 25+ passes in a typical game, one single pass caught on Mccourty (in this case not even on him) is 'proof' that he sucks and see I told you so.
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No one in the Pats secondary has had an "excellent" season.
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S - Wilson
S - McCourty
CB - Dennard
CB - Whoever isn't sucking as much as the others that day
This is actually 3/4 of a decent starting secondary. Not sure where the other 1/4 is going to come from, unless the team can trade for someone in the next few days, but it's a start. And all 3 guys have the potential to develop at those positions, given that Wilson and Dennard are rookies and McCourty is new to the safety position.
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