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And they also added 4 defensive starters (Shaughnessy, Houston, Burris, McClain) and 3 reserves (Mitchell, Goethel, Crawford) from the 2009-2012 drafts.

Oh, and the Oakland Raiders are currently 30th in scoring defense this year.
Imagine if they didn't have Seymour's "leadership", they'd probably be 31st.

WhiZa

I would rather have Solder and Jones rather than Watt and Cannon. I never said Solder was the best pick in the 2011 draft, just overall impact to this team this year has been huge. Our OL is walking on glass right now.

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If we didn't have Solder last year, Brady would have had Thomas Welech as his RT.

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BradyFTW!

Almost all of those guys suck. Shaughnessy is good, but he missed most of last season. McClain is physically talented, but is exactly the reason why you need a leader like Seymour around in the first place. The rest are nobodies.

The fact that you're citing guys with 7 career tackles as proof of the additions that the Raiders have made kinda makes my point for me. All of those guys combined don't even halfway make up for losing Asomugha.

SONS_OF_BELICHICK

Can someone tell me why we care about the whining Oakland fans .......

We have bigger birds to fry.....

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BradyFTW!

Almost all of those guys suck. Shaughnessy is good, but he missed most of last season. McClain is physically talented, but is exactly the reason why you need a leader like Seymour around in the first place. The rest are nobodies.

The fact that you're citing guys with 7 career tackles kinda makes my point for me. Over that same time period, they lost Nnamdi Asomugha, Thomas Howard, Kirk Morrison, Trevor Scott, Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kamerion Wimbley, and Greg Ellis.

Brady_to_Moss

raiders fans are never happy..what's new

Rob0729

Comparing the Hernandez and Gronk thing is silly. We are comparing 2012 and two TEs with multiple years left on their rookie deals signing 5 and 6 year extensions (both require them to finish the final two years of their rookie deals for some up front bonus money although he looks to be making close to $30 million for those two years or $15 million a year). Both Gronk and Herndanez's deals have outs before they make much of their real money. Back in 2008, the cap was much lower.

Both Seymour and Wilfork were in the last years of their deals and wanted top dollar for their position and would never sign a deal structure that either Gronk or Hernandez got. If Seymour would sign a deal structured like Gronk's, the Pats would have signed it in a second (Gronk doesn't get his real big bonus of $10 million until 2015 where the Pats can in theory cut him before they give it to him and only will get $8 million more than his original rookie deal until then). Also, the cap should be exploding with the new TV deals by the time either Gronk or Hernandez get their biggest payments. Totally different situations.

Wilfork got an $18 million signing bonus which is $2 million less than Hernandez's and Gronk's signing bonuses combined. As I stated, Gronk's was $8 million and Hernandez's was $12 million. Seymour would have commanded at least a $15-20 million signing bonus (the Raiders gave him only $7 million bonus, but gave him a two year deal with $22 million guaranteeed). So without even looking at the year to year bases, the Pats would have shelled out a heck of a lot more money for Wilfork and Seymour vs. Gronk and Hernandez with a smaller cap. Plus, at least Seymour's deal would be much shorter and require a bigger amortized cap hit each year.

I see no correlation between the Seymour and Wilfork deal and the Gronk and Hernandez deal. Seymour and Wilfork would have eaten far more of the cap in the early years with a smaller cap number while the Pats have relatively low cap hits for both Gronk and Hernandez and have outs before either get big cap hit increases.

RhodyPatriot

Dick always played his best when playing for a contract. Had no problem saying bye bye to Seymour. Where the Patriots made a mistake was in waiting too long to address their D line needs.

AndyJohnson

Incredibly naive statement.
Any true Patriots fan who is paying attention would appreciate the first 5-6 years of Seymour's career as the best player in this era of the Patriots on defense.
Seymour hustled more than any DL I have ever seen play the game until wear and tear set in. No DL hustles the way Seymour did. His effort was A+. Seymour would rush the passer then assist on tackles 10 yards downfield on pass plays after a run and catch.
To imply that his effort was based on contract status is as ignorant a statement as I have seen around here in years.