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QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (5) Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Jeff Demps, Brandon Bolden, Shane Vereen
WR (5) Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Brandon Lloyd
TE (3) Rob Gronkowski, Daniel Fells, Aaron Hernandez
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (4) Dan Connolly, Nick McDonald, Donald Thomas, Logan Mankins
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (5) Jake Bequette, Trevor Scott, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick, Chandler Jones
DT (3) Vince Wilfork, Justin Francis, Kyle Love
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Niko Koutouvides
OLB(3) Bobby Carpenter, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Ras-I Dowling, Marquice Cole, Sterling Moore
SS (3) Steve Gregory, James Ihedigbo, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Patrick Chung, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Aiken, Zoltan Mesko
I was stuck on Sergio Brown versus James Ihedigbo. Ihedigbo is a better player, but Brown is a better ST which at the #5 safety spot that's where most of your contributions will be. I ended up taking Ihedigbo since we may need him to play again if the injury bug hits.
If Waters comes back I expect Koppen to be cut
We keep Bolden over the FB because Bolden could be used as a FB just like BJGE was his first couple years
Koutouvides makes it over White. Sucks for White being hurt Koutouvides was able to step up
I picked Cole and Moore over Dennard due to their special teams contributions and already having experience in the league. Dennard really needs to red-shirt this year to mature and work out his legal issues. Ideally that would have been on IR, but this time it will be on the PS. I could see a scenario where BB thinks he has something special in Dennard and hides him on the 53-man roster. That would make for a tough cut of Cole.
To the PS: Jeremy Ebert, Kerry Taylor, Alex Silvestro, Matt Kopa, Marcus Forston, Jeff Tarpinian, Malcolm Williams, Alfonzo Dennard
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1. The players who were healthy enough to travel but didn't play a snap are all locks. Rodak has a list, it's 20 players all of whom seem like reasonable choices to have earned their spots.
2. Brian Waters will magically reappear in the next couple of days, in game shape.
3. This initial cut to 53 is about protecting talent, first and foremost. The bottom end of the roster will be continually adjusted in response to injuries, etc. But for this cut, as long as I can comfortably select a balanced gameday 45, I'll usually lean toward keeping superior talent and potential over creating an ideal positional balance.
Here's my resulting 52:
QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (4) Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Jeff Demps
WR (6) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Ebert
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (5) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Dan Connolly, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
LB(5) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Ras-I Dowling, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard
SS (2) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken
We agree on 50 positions, about the same as a month ago.
For us, the bubble seems to include the players below. The first two are on your 53. The next three are on mine. The last three are not on either of our lists.
COMPETING FOR THE BOTTOM THREE ROSTER SPOTS
Ebert
Shiancoe
Bolden
Scott
Ihedigbo
Francis
Koutouvides
Moore
It would not be surprising to see the Game 2 roster include 1-3 players from other teams.
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I'll start with a few assumptions.
1. The players who were healthy enough to travel but didn't play a snap are all locks. Rodak has a list, it's 20 players all of whom seem like reasonable choices to have earned their spots.
2. Brian Waters will magically reappear in the next couple of days, in game shape.
3. This initial cut to 53 is about protecting talent, first and foremost. The bottom end of the roster will be continually adjusted in response to injuries, etc. But for this cut, as long as I can comfortably select a balanced gameday 45, I'll usually lean toward keeping superior talent and potential over creating an ideal positional balance.
Here's my resulting 52:
QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (4) Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Jeff Demps
WR (6) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Ebert
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (5) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Dan Connolly, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
LB(5) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Ras-I Dowling, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard
SS (2) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken
QB (3) Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett
RB (5) Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Jeff Demps, Brandon Bolden
WR (5) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Julian Edelman, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater
TE (3) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells
C (2) Ryan Wendell, Nick McDonald
G (4) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Dan Connolly, Donald Thomas
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (3) Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
ILB(5) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Niko Koutouvides, Mike Rivera
OLB(4) Jermaine Cunningham, Trevor Scott, Justin Francis, Bobby Carpenter
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Alfonzo Dennard, Marquice Cole
SS (2) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken
The bottom 6 or so guy are all interchangeable. Koppen sticks around for another year if Waters hangs em up.
- Sterling Moore is a lock IMO, despite the groans of some here.
- I think Ron Brace has become overrated here (for a change). Lacks balance, athleticism, and instincts. Only reason he makes it is because of Fanene's cut. I think this is his final year as a Patriot.
I was reading along until these two points, where you completely lost me. Brace has looked excellent and Moore (whom I've generally supported) has been garbage.
1. The players who were healthy enough to travel but didn't play a snap are all locks. Rodak has a list, it's 20 players all of whom seem like reasonable choices to have earned their spots.
2. Brian Waters will magically reappear in the next couple of days, in game shape.
3. This initial cut to 53 is about protecting talent, first and foremost. The bottom end of the roster will be continually adjusted in response to injuries, etc. But for this cut, as long as I can comfortably select a balanced gameday 45, I'll usually lean toward keeping superior talent and potential over creating an ideal positional balance.
Here's my resulting 52:
QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (4) Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Jeff Demps
WR (6) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Ebert
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (5) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Dan Connolly, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
LB(5) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Ras-I Dowling, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard
SS (2) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken
The 53rd spot depends on the injury status of players like Chung and Spikes. Candidates include Ihedigbo, Francis, Koutouvides and Bolden.
Looks good. I would get rid of an OL and add a LB, but for the initial cutdown with the OL injuries we have, it may be good to keep 10 to start then cut one later.
1. The players who were healthy enough to travel but didn't play a snap are all locks. Rodak has a list, it's 20 players all of whom seem like reasonable choices to have earned their spots.
2. Brian Waters will magically reappear in the next couple of days, in game shape.
3. This initial cut to 53 is about protecting talent, first and foremost. The bottom end of the roster will be continually adjusted in response to injuries, etc. But for this cut, as long as I can comfortably select a balanced gameday 45, I'll usually lean toward keeping superior talent and potential over creating an ideal positional balance.
Here's my resulting 52:
QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB (4) Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Stevan Ridley, Jeff Demps
WR (6) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Matthew Slater, Julian Edelman, Jeremy Ebert
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (2) Dan Koppen, Ryan Wendell
G (5) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Dan Connolly, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Jake Bequette
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
LB(5) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Bobby Carpenter, Jeff Tarpinian
CB (5) Devin McCourty, Kyle Arrington, Ras-I Dowling, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard
SS (2) Patrick Chung, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken
The 53rd spot depends on the injury status of players like Chung and Spikes. Candidates include Ihedigbo, Francis, Koutouvides and Bolden.
My defensive roster would look exactly the same as yours. On offense, I don't know if it's worth keeping all three QBs, since neither Hoyer nor Mallett have looked particularly great. I might just keep Brady and Mallett and pray for Brady's health.
I'm also not sure about Koppen. He hasn't looked particularly good and the only way I'd see him sticking around is if Waters doesn't return.
Well my guess at the final 53 not sure of injuries the Niko which would impact sport:
QB (2) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett
RB (5) Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Brandon Bolden, Jeff Demps
WR (5) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater
TE (4) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells, Visanthe Shiancoe
C (2) Dan Connolly, Ryan Wendell
G (4) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette, Trevor Scott, Justin Francis
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Niko Koutouvides
OLB(3) Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Bobby Carpenter
CB (6) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard, Sterling Moore
SS (2) Steve Gregory, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Patrick Chung, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Aiken, Zoltan Mesko
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QB (3) Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer
RB/FB (5) Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead, Eric Kettani, Jeff Demps
WR (5) Wes Welker, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Matthew Slater
TE (3) Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Daniel Fells
C (2) Dan Connolly, Ryan Wendell
G (4) Logan Mankins, Brian Waters, Donald Thomas, Nick McDonald
T (3) Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon
DE (4) Chandler Jones, Jake Bequette, Trevor Scott, Justin Francis
DT (4) Vince Wilfork, Kyle Love, Ron Brace, Brandon Deaderick
ILB(4) Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Donta Hightower, Niko Koutouvides
OLB(3) Rob Ninkovich, Jermaine Cunningham, Bobby Carpenter
CB (6) Devin McCourty, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Marquice Cole, Alfonzo Dennard, Sterling Moore
SS (2) Steve Gregory, Nate Ebner
FS (2) Patrick Chung, Tavon Wilson
ST (3) Stephen Gostkowski, Danny Aiken, Zoltan Mesko
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