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Old 08-21-2012, 05:13 AM   #11
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Personally, my early impression was that Shane Vereen looked quite good in picking up the yards he should have as well as sidestepping defenders who were constantly in the backfield to achieve "minor" gains.

It is completely fine having Vereen run on inside runs in preseason IMO. Many smaller backs are reluctant to stay inside choosing to bounce everything to the outside when given the choice. Ball security and running technique,reads etc can all be evaluated and deficiencies coached up. The endgame is that a threat like Vereen who is dangerous in space but who can run inside will have opposing defensive coordinators guessing, which is exactly what BB likes to do.
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Old 08-21-2012, 06:17 AM   #12
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Guys, I think it's pretty obvious based on last season and what we saw last night that Kyle Love is the real deal. He and Vince will wreak havoc in the middle of offensive lines. If Jones keeps coming along and we get the same steady production from Ninko on the other side, I really do think we could see that disruptive pass rush we've been wanting for years now.
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OK - its 1:20 as I start this. I can't seem to get to sleep, so maybe I can get some of you TO fall sleep with this post;

I'm sure no on will be shocked to read that I saw a lot of positive things in this game. The Eagles are a very talented team and, as expected, played the their starters into the 3rd quarter. The Pats, due to the logistics of having to play 3 games in 10 days, with 2 away games, didn't. So to make ANY draconian judgments based on what went on last night is quite simply shortsighted (which is a polite way of saying DUMB.) This game was all about giving young players some playing time, evaluating the bottom half of your roster, and creating teaching points you can use to improve play.

blah...blah....blah

Once again Ken, playing loose with the facts. Isn't coming to conclusions based on falsehoods also shortsighted? (DUMB?)

The Eagles ALSO play 3 games in 10 days, just like the Pats, yet they decided to play their starters anyway. Different coaching philosophy obviously.

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People need to remember that he was going up against a scrambling left handed QB (he was pulled shortly after Vick went down). That changes his responsibilities immensely. He is no longer rushing on the QB's blindside and now has responsibilities to take away Vick's scrambling lane.

Watching him, he didn't see to really make nearly as much of an effort to get to the QB as he did last week and delayed his rush a bit. It seemed like Belichick wanted him to stay at home a bit while Cunningham rushed Vick's blindside.

I personally never expected nearly as much from him last night know that he was going against a scrambling left handed QB unless they moved him to LDE.
Thank you for providing context to the situation. Good stuff....far more analytical than my "he sucks, he's awesome, where's my beer" post game breakdown.
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Personally, my early impression was that Shane Vereen looked quite good in picking up the yards he should have as well as sidestepping defenders who were constantly in the backfield to achieve "minor" gains.
This is what I saw, too. He squeezed forward for yards a couple of times where I can't recall another Pats RB being able to do so. I hope he's not too beaten up because he was not treated well by his OL and/or the play calling last night.
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Lots of scouts in the house.....was BB providing a stage for a Branch showcase? We know Bill always treats established vets with extra TLC....releasing them earlier in preseason allowing them to catch on with another club before the mass layoffs hit the tape.
Probably reading too much into Branch's full participation last night....no LLoyd, no Gaffney, Gronk, Hernandez....someone needed to play....right?
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Once again Ken, playing loose with the facts. Isn't coming to conclusions based on falsehoods also shortsighted? (DUMB?)

The Eagles ALSO play 3 games in 10 days, just like the Pats, yet they decided to play their starters anyway. Different coaching philosophy obviously.
How does is that contrary to his statements? The Eagles, as mentioned in the broadcast, are more likely to scale back their starters next week against the Browns since they play them the first week of the season. The point about playing 3 games in 10 days was accurate.
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This is what I saw, too. He squeezed forward for yards a couple of times where I can't recall another Pats RB being able to do so. I hope he's not too beaten up because he was not treated well by his OL and/or the play calling last night.
After watching Vareen get the bulk of the carries in the 1st half, I came away thinking...no worries here. He has skill, toughness, grasps the playbook...I'm putting him in the Least of my worries column
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Short and general: I saw a B-grade team face off against an A-grade team and hold their own, even putting up 11 points to zilch on them. New England came in with their 3rd string QB and a mix of various level players, and managed to knock the opposing team's QB out of the game, and basically take on all comers.

Once the lower-tier guys started to get more playing time, it was more difficult and the Eagles started to score. I don't see it so much as bad technique on the Patriots side (though that was there) as much as a high-level of motor from players on each side trying to make a play so as to make the team.

I always dampen my criticisms (as well as my praise) by understanding that we fans don't know what each player's assignment was on any given play. True enough, we might be able to make an educated guess, and there's certainly times when it's obvious that someone messed up big time.

Having said that, however, it's hard to be to judgmental when you don't know actual assignments for each play, and when you don't know WHY certain plays were called. Knowing how much Coach Belichick stresses situational football, it's very likely that some plays were called to see how players reacted, how well they understood their assignments and executed them, rather than how well the play worked against the opponent.

Overall, I'm not in any way panicking, and I feel a LOT more comfortable with Mallett than I did earlier. I also feel pretty well overall. If this group could put up 11 points with all of our A-list players (or most of them) sitting things out, then how much better when it really matters?

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How does is that contrary to his statements? The Eagles, as mentioned in the broadcast, are more likely to scale back their starters next week against the Browns since they play them the first week of the season. The point about playing 3 games in 10 days was accurate.
Correct....as the announcers explained quite clearly....last night was the Eagles dress rehearsal....costumes, lighting, full orchestra....all because next weeks opponent was their week 1 opponent
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