Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have? - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Five Thoughts On Tebow
'13 NFL Previews Are In
Tebow at QB? No Way

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Like Tree10Likes

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #1
In the Starting Line-up
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,074
Default Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

I don't think the answer is obvious. It's a big problem that teams overplay our passing offense in the playoffs because they know the best our running backs can do is an 8 yard run. Anyone would take that risk-reward. Obviously, a fast WR like Vincent Jackson or Randy Moss will stretch the field, helping take some pressure off of Gronknandez. We've now seen the Jets, Giants, and Ravens all successfully limit our game to small area of the field.

In terms of the playoffs, the most effective offense we had was in 2004. Corey Dillon made that offense so much more dynamic. Since then, we concede a 75-25 pass-run ratio against playoff defenses. That might be why we struggle to crack 20 points when it matters. Even in 2007 with Moss and Stallworth, our deep game didn't do too much damage in the playoffs.

Obviously, elite running backs are even harder to come by than elite wide receivers. There aren't too many of them, particularly three-down backs.
Ice_Ice_Brady is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 02-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #2
In the Starting Line-up
 
Palm Beach Pats Fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,913
My Mood: Busy
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

The elite RB is harder to properly evaluate for most teams, is more injury-prone, and is likely to have a shorter career than the elite WR.

You also get 10+ yards per play for the WR vs. 5 for the RB.

Take the WR almost every time.
celticboy04 likes this.
__________________
It is what it is, so just go out there and do your job!

Last edited by Palm Beach Pats Fan; 02-07-2012 at 02:21 PM..
Palm Beach Pats Fan is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #3
All Pro Poster
 
PATRIOTSFANINPA's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Northeastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 15,291
My Mood: Bitchy
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

A 35 Year Old Quarterback needs a stud behind him to lower the amount of burden on him.

Ask John Elway of how happy he was to have a beast like Terrell Davis behind him to make defenses respect the run and less pressure on him to carry the team.

Give me another Corey Dillon type any day of the week over a WR
Peachhead likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
PATRIOTSFANINPA is online now  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #4
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 518
My Mood: Confused
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

Have to go with the WR. The NFL is more of a passing based league now that there are stricter rule about pass interference.
ensoul is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #5
In the Starting Line-up
 
Snake Eyes's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,411
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

WR, without a doubt! We already have 2 good backs, we just need to use them. Adding a receiver with Mike Wallace speed would have a lot more impact than a RB with Chris Johnson speed, IMO.
Gronkandez likes this.
__________________
"The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery, you must learn it's riddle, Conan, you must learn its discipline, for no one in this world can you trust, not men, not women, not beasts...this you can trust"


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Snake Eyes is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:27 PM   #6
Practice Squad
 
Elijah T.'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Weight Room.
Posts: 227
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

Belichick drafted Vereen in the 2nd round, and Ridley in the 3rd.

I've seen plenty of Vereen in Jeff Tedford's offense at Cal, and he's basically a stronger inside runner then Jahvid Best but can cutback across the hashes for 40-50 yard gains regularly. He can accelerate left to right on a dime; a gifted runner. He's aggressive in pass protection and was a reliable receiver.

He obviously had two hamstring issues that kept him from the field. BB isn't big on using rookies unless he has to or they give him an absolute reason too.

Whether BJGE is re-signed or not, a healthy Vereen will win the starting job in camp and through the pre-season.

He's our guy.

Now go sign Marcus Colston.
Petersen23 likes this.
Elijah T. is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #7
On the Roster
 
Perfection08's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 72
My Mood: Mellow
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

My kneejerk reaction is to say I want an elite receiver. But I have concerns. Even if TB has a burner, can he still throw the deep ball? I know part of it is who he has to throw to, but I feel like most of the deep balls he threw this year were underthrown. I'm not sure he has the same arm he did in 07.

Also, I really like what we're doing with the tight ends. I feel like if healthy, it's very tough to stop this passing offense as currently constructed. Would a star receiver reduce their roles? Also, what elite receiver would you want? Many of them are no different than Moss or Owens. They want the ball and the attention. Tom is at his best when everyone gets targeted.

That said, assuming Welker gets resigned I would probably go against the majority and wish for an elite back. Imagine what a guy like Ray Rice could do in this offense.
Peachhead likes this.
__________________
The sign in the avatar is too small to read here: it says, "New York Jets Practice Facility. All practices will be canceled this week. There is no way in hell we can beat the New England Patriots."

My username is painful, but reminds me that in football and in life, nothing should EVER be assumed.

Last edited by Perfection08; 02-07-2012 at 02:34 PM..
Perfection08 is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:35 PM   #8
On The Game Day Roster
 

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 380
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

Greetings,
I have to go with receiver as well. There are already good running backs on this roster who are a lot better than the numbers they put up. Ridley should develop into a very nice running back by next season. I think someone posted on this board that it would be nice see to the running backs used more on screen plays and I agree. Back to receiver, I would like to see a reliable quality receivers opposite Welker with speed and nice size. I would like to see Jabbar back because he was very nice when he was here and has gotten a lot better since he left. I know he is not elite, but would be a very nice upgrade.

Celticboy04

Last edited by celticboy04; 02-07-2012 at 02:36 PM..
celticboy04 is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #9
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
ThatllMoveTheChains!!!'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 790
My Mood: Confused
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfection08 View Post
My kneejerk reaction is to say I want an elite receiver. But I have concerns. Even if TB has a burner, can he still throw the deep ball? I know part of it is who he has to throw to, but I feel like most of the deep balls he threw this year were underthrown. I'm not sure he has the same arm he did in 07.

Also, I really like what we're doing with the tight ends. I feel like if healthy, it's very tough to stop this passing offense as currently constructed. Would a star receiver reduce their roles? Also, what elite receiver would you want? Many of them are no different than Moss or Owens. They want the ball and the attention. Tom is at his best when everyone gets targeted.

That said, assuming Welker gets resigned I would probably go against the majority and wish for an elite back. Imagine what a guy like Ray Rice could do in this offense.
I'm guessing TB can still the long ball, but his precision with it has just gone down since he hasn't been throwing it with regularity. If the Pats picked up a quality deep threat I'm guessing TB would be able to get him the ball.

On the worrying note, I'd be worried about the offense properly using an elite RB. Seems like they sour on the running game exceptionally fast if there's a fumble or negative run.
ThatllMoveTheChains!!! is offline  
Old 02-07-2012, 02:38 PM   #10
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
ATippett56's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 8,075
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: Elite receiver (with speed) or Elite running back: which would you rather have?

The New England Patriots don't need an elite receiver with speed, the New England Patriots need an elite receiver who can run the entire route tree and beat man coverage.

The answer to the question is Brandon Lloyd.
reflexblue and robbomango like this.
__________________
The End of the Chad Ochostinko Era!
ATippett56 is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Patriots Offense Does Not Need To Add An Elite Wide Receiver PatsFans.com Article PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 8 07-26-2011 02:46 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC