A consistent theme in this year's personnel moves - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

RayClay · 12-04-2011, 08:40 AM

With the exception Of Brady and Wilfork, we've turned around practically a whole team on both sides (Lights young replacements already here, other marginals still here, but the point is valid).

BB knows from experience how hard it is to develop a core like he had in the championship years, many from Parcells while he was a coach there.

How many young players did we develop then? You can almost count them. Our vets were hard corps and coaches on the field and in the locker room.

Does one bad apple spoil the bunch? On a young team, maybe. Lots of impressionable young men who could follow the freelancers, the half assers, and lose their potential to be great.

At the same time, there's always some guy from a small school, or who started late or had injuries who just knows all he needs is a chance.

With a young team, given ample opportunities is BB going to wait for "potential" for a guy who doesn't get it after repeated trials and opportunities (every practice is an opportunity).

Or is he going to turn over rocks and try out gis until he finds a Wes Welker, a Kyle Arrington, a BJ?

Who grabbed every opportunity they had and ran with it, Arrington or Butler? It's a joke, it's not even close. Meriweather got worse, not better.

You're either moving forward, or back. BB's building himself a new army and if you don't keep up, you're gone. Let's see if Underwood has the stuff. Our passing system has always been better than the sum of it's parts and finding one guy who nails it is worth 10 hotshots that have a "better" way IMO.

***Mike the Brit*** · 12-04-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Actually I do, and it's not that difficult to given Bill's history with players.

Haynesworth remained focused on doing what he felt was best for Haynesworth. That seemed to be the same affliction that Merriweather developed. Haynesworth is one of the most talented players Bill ever had to work with but lipservice aside he lacked any drive to perform commensurate with his talent. Guys like that spread an insidious form of locker room cancer without ever uttering a sound... Merriweather was equally self absorbed although he didn't lack effort or drive, just brains. Too focused on his own game to be coachable within a system and not quite talented or instinctive enough to succeed as a freelancer. Again, those guys can spread a form of cancer in a locker room that is difficult for fanboys to detect. Bodden and Warren seemed to have a different (from the aforementioned) but similar problem (to each other) in that once paid they just couldn't seem to get or stay healthy and productive (and of course Warren also opted to finish his degree during his career - not to mention on the heels of a season where Bill questioned the effectiveness of the core leadership on his defense - rather than focusing his offseason on doing whatever it took to be the most productive player he could be during his limited career...). Part of Bodden's job was to develop his young protoge as a consumate pro...but you can't teach something you don't really grasp yourself... Sanders was a bit of a woe is me playing time malcontent who got overpaid based on potential failed to develop beyond his apparent high floor/low ceiling. He had the brains and basic work ethic to consistently lead a young defense on the field but persistently lacked or failed to develop the ability to simply play his own position at anything more than a marginal level... You cannot lead from the tub...or the bench. Price couldn't manage to snag a foothold on the wide open least competitive position on the roster...and he didn't play on ST either. Of course that begs the question why not Ocho, but the answer is probably short of the contract and career resume and personal charm he's made a living off of it was a coinflip... Bill brought a jag in to push those two and he ended up passing them on the depth chart in a matter of days... If I were Ocho I'd start praying not only for catches but for ongoing health at every other position on the roster...

What a capricious old frustrated tyrant...why else would you consistently can overpriced or overhyped or egocentric or maddeningly inconsistent underachievers...

Don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing one way or the other -- just pointing to the circular reasoning. If you've got some independent evidence, that's great -- I'm interested to hear it.

Speaking personally, it doesn't matter much to me. I'm still living on the enjoyment of SB XXXVI. Everything else has been a bonus.

My guess is that it's very hard to judge BB -- especially not from the outside. Like all of us, he has strengths and weaknesses, but in his case the strengths and the weaknesses seem to be very close together. So his consistency and calmness can turn into a failure to communicate and motivate, but then a blowhard, pants-on-fire coach can be a weakness in the long run. And so on.

But now there's a game on. Go Pats!!!!

***DaBruinz*** · 12-04-2011, 01:22 PM

The only problem with this is that there have been a couple of reporters who have mentioned that Price being waived had more to do with the need for roster spots than lack of talent from Price and that Price could be back if he's not claimed. What the truth is, we'll never know.

Fencer · 12-04-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by robertweathers

Price was missing 3 for sure. Insinuating that he was missing 2 and 4 is speculation.

I'm guessing that the beat reporter(s) who outright said Price's work ethic were lacking had basis for their "speculation".

Fencer · 12-04-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

The only problem with this is that there have been a couple of reporters who have mentioned that Price being waived had more to do with the need for roster spots than lack of talent from Price and that Price could be back if he's not claimed. What the truth is, we'll never know.

I was a little hasty in implying that the reporters had a consensus around poor work ethic for Price. Still, it rang true when I read it (one of the major news blogs, I forget which).

TheBostonStraggler · 12-04-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike the Brit

You might just as well say that BB is a capricious old tyrant who, increasingly frustrated with his failure to recapture past glories, blames his players instead of himself and cuts them on a whim, even though he has no one better in mind with whom to replace them.

Which is right? I've no idea -- and I don't think that you do either.

You'd have "no idea" only if you choose to take a single snapshot and disregard a very well established track record. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who chooses to look at the track record will justifiably scoff at your 'could be either one, nobody really knows'.
It is established you are less than happy with the state of the Patriots and with BB's stewardship. That's your own judgement call to make. However, letting that cloud what historical fact has so well established is a shakey position to perch upon.