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Old 05-23-2008, 10:59 AM   #1
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IR ISSUE BIGGER THAN SPYGATE?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 23, 2008, 11:53 a.m.

With the lidless red eye of the media now focusing on ten-day-old evidence of then-fresh cheating allegations regarding the Patriots, it would be easy to shrug at talk of possible rules violations relating to the use of players from the injured reserve list in practice.

But we’ve gotten some feedback on the situation, unsolicited, from someone not in the media. Instead, a high-level exec with a team other than the Patriots has shared some opinions about the differences between the videotaping of defensive coaching signals and the practice of practicing with players who have been placed on IR.

Here’s the full text of the message that we received:

“I honestly feel like the IR issue is a way bigger issue than taping signals. I always felt that was overblown because everyone was doing it in some way (i.e. with a scout in the press box, etc). However, the IR thing is huge. In terms of getting players ready to play for the future, it’s invaluable. You can stash players on the IR, protect them from waivers, and get them to practice, develop and improve. Plus it allows you to rest your veterans during practice. In terms of competitiveness, from an overall team standpoint, that’s a much bigger advantage than taping signals.

“The fact that the Commish wouldn’t take any further action, to me, is incredible. It’s a totally separate deal and MUCH more valuable than taping signals, in my opinion.”

For now, the evidence regarding this practice by the Patriots is limited. But at a time when Matt Walsh’s credibility remains suspect (except when he says that there was no videotape of the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI), the fact that former NFL player Ross Tucker has spoken out about his first-hand experiences in this regard makes us wonder whether folks in the league office agree with the assessment that our source provided and, if so, whether the matter will be pursued.

It’s possible that the Patriots weren’t doing it extensively. It’s possible that other teams are doing it as well. But if it is that big of a deal and if it’s happening in one or more NFL cities without detection or correction, then it needs to be explored.
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Give me a break.. I really think people want Belichick to go away or be hung in front the bristol offices , its become beyond comprehension...
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you know what is way bigger than taping?

- Violating the salary cap (49ers and Broncos)
- Steroids (70's Steelers)
- Crowd noise and heated stadiums (Colts)
- Tampering (Mangini Jets)

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I don't think the executive is wrong. I think h is right.

Of course, everything needs to be qualified.

Taping is apparently against the rules for the Patriots, but not for other teams.

IR issue is WAY BIGGER than taping.

Jaywalking is way way bigger than the IR issue.

You see, the executive is right. He just didn't take his point to its logical conclusion.
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you know what is way bigger than taping?

- Violating the salary cap (49ers and Broncos)
- Steroids (70's Steelers)
- Crowd noise and heated stadiums (Colts)
- Tampering (Mangini Jets)
And steriods with mike golic too ,but he does not want his carrer tainted
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I actually agree with this guy on one point....Using an IRed player is worse than using video equipment in the wrong part of the stadium.

But I also take the NFLs lack of punishment and outward investigation as an admition of the fact that they screwed this whole thing up royaly.


They realize they overblew it and created the sh** storm....now they don't want to pile on anymore.
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Give me a break.. I really think people want Belichick to go away or be hung in front the bristol offices , its become beyond comprehension...
No doubt. This is becoming tiresome. I'm sure the league office is starting to find all this crap tiresome too. If people want investigations for this practice, it better be a league wide investigation. The Pats have played the fall guy enough, IMO.
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OK, let me get this straight. Stashing undrafted free agents on IR is way, way worse than videotaping. Why? Because it allows you to develop young players who may help you in the future. Yet, when people such as Mark Schlereth talk about "cheating" in the Super Bowls, and someone mentions the Broncos' salary car shenanigans, he claims it's not a big deal because the Broncos would have paid the likes of Elway and Davis anyway, and that it only helped them with the ACTIVE players on the back end of the roster. Other commentators agree with him that videotaping is much worse than paying players under the table.

So, given the fact that the Broncos only lost a 3rd rounder while the Patriots lost a first, how does this jibe?

Am I supposed to believe that the veterans signed by the Broncos with the big cap savings from cheating are somehow less valuable to the team than the UDFA's the Patriots developed while on IR.

Preposterous. I can understand that a reporter would have to report what an unidentified executive writes, but it's obvious here the guy is just trying to cause trouble, and nothing prevents the reporter from characterizing the executive's efforts as presposterous.
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No doubt. This is becoming tiresome. I'm sure the league office is starting to find all this crap tiresome too. If people want investigations for this practice, it better be a league wide investigation. The Pats have played the fall guy enough, IMO.
What's next, that they had Powerade on the sidelines instead of Gatorade??? Tell these media wh*res to find some other message to get clicks on their site for their ad rates...........

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