Pats726

Just heard this on Dale and Holley...quoted Stacy James as asking the NYT about a number of instances like the Fins getting the signals before etc etc...and after the NYT admitting that NO they were not investigating CHEATING in those instances..basically said they were ONLY going against the Pats....interesting...

JoeSixPat

If I were them - and I'm doing my best to do the same thing on national boards like PFT - I'd do my best to have the NFL and media outlets make clear that stealing signals, and taping signals is ALLOWED and that most if not all teams engage in the practice.

(Why wouldn't they? It's legal, and as the Dolphins proved, it can be beneficial)

That's the vital information that fans and the media conveniently ignore.

If it's understood that taping signals is deemed fair and legal by the NFL, it becomes impossible to demonize a team that simply took their video from the wrong location.

By the way, Mr. Kraft - if you're looking for a PR consultant you know where to find me!

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Rob0729

Yeah, I heard it too. Apparently it is clearer in NYT's print edition, but they edited the information in the online edition.

Oh, how the greats have fallen. I consider yesterday as a sad day in journalism history. I would expect a blatantly one-sided witch hunt from one of the tabliods in NY, not the Times (well at least a year ago I would have said that). The Times used to stand for the most comprehensive and unbiased reporting. Yes, they always had a liberal slant to things especially politics, but they tended to at least try to see both sides of an issue.

signbabybrady

I think I am missing something what did the NY times actually admit too???

is there any source to this story???

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Rob0729

Joe,

I do enjoy your posts on the PFT site, but as you well know it is like beating your head against the wall. Most of the responses to your posts refer to Belichick as Belicheat and the Patriots as Cheatriots or reference 18-1* or just the asterick in general. You can't reason with those people. Even when you tone your posts down to acknowledge some of the validities of the other side of the argument, they still call you a homer.

My guess is that Kraft feels the same way. When they do come out and say things, all the haters in the media and around the country accuse the Pats of making BS excuses or deflecting blame. I have a feeling a PR campaign may best work when this whole issue has calmed down and people aren't ready to lynch the Patriots with every single new development.

Look at how the news of the tapes ended up turning out. For months people said that if there was no video of the walkthrough or anything else other more taping of signals, the Pats would not be punished. Now that there was one tape of offensive signals, people are splitting hairs calling this groundbreaking new evidence against the Patriots. It just may not be the right time to add fuel to the fire.

BradyManny

I just don't get how paid professionals actually would care that much about football teams to be this biased. It's truly pathetic.

JoeSixPat

I'd suspect that James will at least be quoted in print somewhere.

The thing for him to do would be to go to the NYT ombudsman to have them determine whether it was a fair and balanced report that was "fit to print"

The interesting backdrop to this issue is that the Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times, and while the Globe reporters have facts on their side, it seems like the Times is ignoring the facts in an effort to pander to NY fans.

I'm seriously beginning to think I need to send Mr. Kraft a copy of my resume as a PR and Media consultant. Initially I think they were willing to take a bullet for the "good of the game" and get this behind them but now they should realize they need to fight back with the facts to ensure that the marketability of the Patriots brand doesn't suffer from ignorance and unfair reporting.

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Rob0729

According to Holey, they admitted to James that they were only looking at the Patriots. He did say that the story in the print edition makes it clearer of this, but I am not sure that it was spelled out like Holley described it on the air.

Personally, I think if this is the case, the Patriots should shut out the Globe from access. Although I love Mike Reiss' reporting, the Patriots shouldn't give the Globe exclusive access since the Herald is not getting access when their sister publication is on a witch hunt against them. The Globe getting exclusive access to the Patriots gives a benefit to their parent company, the New York Times.

BradyManny

I disagree, Reiss is too valuable to the Patriots. He's objective, respected and intelligent.

signbabybrady

So you are saying that Stacie was quoted as saying that the New York Times admitted to calling what the pats did cheating and what the dolphins did as not???

I am still missing what was actually said and by whom?????

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