patsfan-1982

if you cover a receiver to close you get called for PI if you hit them to hard you get fined if you do anything more then breathe on a QB you get called for roughing the passer, now if a team goes no huddle you cant even sub players...what do you want defenses to do when there are 18 QB's on pace to throw for over 4000 yerds

juny

So was McGinest really hurt on that play? I'm guessing he was borderline so when in doubt, he decided to stay down. I don't remember him popping back up like the Giants did on MNF. I would argue his case is way different than the Giants who just flopped.

PrairiePat

You do realize this would have cost the Pats 3 points just before the half last week? I don't like this idea particularly.

The best solution I've seen here was the one that would force the 'injured' defender out of the game until the next change of possession or timeout. If he's truly injured, this is a non-penalty anyhow. It would only really penalize the faker, or a player with a superficial injury he could quickly come back from. It's a lot like the soccer rule where the injured player has to stay off until the next play stoppage. In football, that would equate to a change in possession or timeout.

Armchair Quarterback

I don't know just repeating what I heard. However, Goodell likes making rules and punishments up on the fly. Putting more arbitrary power in the hands of that fool is not the answer. I don't think many people put a lot of faith in his judgment. It needs to be out for the possession or maybe a single substitution, cut and dry.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...uld-be-proven/
I contacted league spokesman Greg Aiello if a fine for faking injury was possible. The answer is yes “if it could be proven.”

“It’s not a judgment call (‘We think or decided they were faking.’) You would need clear evidence, meaning an admission,” he wrote.

Froob

Although it is cheap, offense does have a lot of advantages over defense with pass interference and illegal contact and such. I don't think it's that big of an issue. Maybe just make a guy sit for 3 plays.

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larryo

How about starting with replacing the injured player with someone that plays the same position? DB goes down, a DB must come in. Just a thought but then I guess the guys that need to be replaced would be doing the faking. This wouild in the least limit the substitutions.

Kjmass1

So if I have no injuries, I can flop 3 times per game? I'll take that chance.

Ron Sellers

I can see some issues with that. For example what if a team was trying to get a big run-stopping DL off the field and replace him with a pass-rushing DL specialist? How do determine who is a DE or an OLB on teams that switch between a 3-4 and 4-3? In the example above, what if you wanted to replace a safety (a DB) with a corner (also a DB)?

To me best solution is to make that player sit for a specific number of plays. The rule could even be worded to say that it is a player safety issue, to give the team's medical staff enough time to check him out. Best of all this eliminates any judgement as to whether or not a player really was hurt.

The only question then would be how long that player has to be sidelined. I would say it has to be for more than three plays: if you're trying to make a change between 2nd and 3rd down, then that player should not be available for the following 1st or 2nd down. Likewise, if you're making a change between a 3rd down play and a 1st down, that player should not be available for the subsequent 3rd down. So the bare minimum that player should have to sit is for three plays - but it would be a whole lot easier on the officials if they simply had to sit for the rest of the series.

larryo

Can teams switch all defensive personnel when the player goes down or is it just the injured player?

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