Sivy

Thats not true..I hate the jets.

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"The people who are claiming that the Pats are dead are the same ones who would go up and check if Jason Voorhees is "really" dead by leaning over his body." -Someone at jetnation.

lurker1965

What is this "real" life you speak of and what does it have to do with football?

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I've seen 1-15 and 2-14 twice. I've seen the Patriots as relevant underdogs, hated favorites, and absolutely irrelevant. Hated is not the best, but it far, far, far from the worst.

ausbacker

Just something I read about online...

Haley

Perhaps he was referring to the spellcasters. It is a gaming thread, you know.

Observer

As interesting as watching paint dry...

Ice_Ice_Brady

The Brady vs. Manning Debate was very fascinating.

Manning started off by viciously attacking Brady ad hominem; Brady responded by appealing to the better "tastes" of the judges, exalting Manning while at the same time pointing out several areas of disagreement.

Brady then used several non-sequiteus in his argument for lower taxable income, something that the judges deducted points for; it may have proven to be a fatal error had no Manning tried to slip in a straw man argument with just minutes left in the contest.

In the final argument of tort reform in several progressive states, Brady became a proponent of less stringent insurance guidelines, while Manning argued for radical changed in the judiciary system.

All in all, NFL fans may argue about the Manning vs. Brady Debate for years, even after each of them retires from the courtroom, but one thing is for sure: these two are the best of our generation.

Mark12

WOW perfect way to put this debate into perspective. I'd like to quote you on this if you don't mind of course.

bagwell368

Can't agree. I hate stupid people regardless of the suck factor. Obviously there is a good amount of crossover between both groups, but those that suck are not always stupid and visa versa. Hope that helps.

BradyFTW!

Not sure what's so interesting about that debate. In fact, anyone who's still thinks that it is one is just in denial, at this point. Brady is an objectively superior quarterback. People who think otherwise apparently haven't realized that there are better measures of a QB's skills than career passing yards and TDs (and by extension must think that Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all time).

To note, Brady's last 4 seasons have been:
2007: A historically good season, one of the best of all-time. Consensus MVP, better than any season that Manning has ever put together.
2008: lost to injury
2009: recovery year, still did exceptionally well against a historically difficult defensive schedule (Football Outsiders ranked him as having the #1 overall defense-adjusted QB season).
2010: A historically good season, one of the best of all-time. Only unanimous MVP in league history, better than any season that Manning has ever put together.

If a guy wins 2 MVPs in 3 years, setting major all-time records both times, both times for the winningest team in the league, then he is probably the best at his position. If pretty much every efficiency statistic in the books backs up the notion that he is the best, then he definitely is.

Shockt327

Wow. I honestly never made the connection that media is the plural of medium. You just blew my mind.