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Old 02-19-2008, 04:06 PM   #11
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Some of you guys are not getting it. The Pats need to get younger on defense. What's the point of signing another old guy when the Pats have Bruschi and Seau? If the Pats continue to sign these old castoffs that some people suggest then you can bet that next season will end exactly like the previous two (with the defense gassed and can't come up with a stop at the end).
I think maybe you don't get it. BB has coached the Pats for 8 years. In that time he has not invested a high pick in a LB. Ever. In fact, he has not even invested much time to even develop any young LBs -- TBC is the only one even close.

What BB has shown is that he prefers to stock his roster with veteran LBs -- guys who are 26+. Lately, that has skewed more to the 30+ variety.

The man likes veteran LBs. He would obviously rather build his team by restocking vet LBs every 2-3 years than by drafting young LBs.

You really don't need to "get younger" at a position that you prefer to staff with veteran players.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:06 PM   #12
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I'm with you brother. I'd like to see them draft Ghoslton or Rivers at OLB. Move Vrabel inside with AD. and move those two at OLB on obvious passing downs.

Groom a young guy at OLB.
Vrabel should not move inside. He has already expressed his distaste for the position, and he is not as effective. He also gets banged up there.

The Pats have gotten themselves in a predicament here. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds. Personally, I'd like to see the ILB position feature an mix of youth and experience. That means signing a guy a Derek Smith and drafting a good prospect, or possibly signing a guy like Brandon Chillar/Michael Boley. But I'm not the FO. They'll decide.

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Move him inside. What's the deal with Seau then? He plays inside. Whose to say it will short his career? His pass rushing abilities slowed down in the last third of the season
Seau is an exception. He was a beast, and still is a beast. His skill and athleticism helped him make the transition. Also, 4-3 OLB translates easier into 3-4 ILB. Vrabel is a 3-4 elephant type whose transition is a lot harder.

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Vrabel should not move inside. He has already expressed his distaste for the position, and he is not as effective. He also gets banged up there.

The Pats have gotten themselves in a predicament here. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds. Personally, I'd like to see the ILB position feature an mix of youth and experience. That means signing a guy a Derek Smith and drafting a good prospect, or possibly signing a guy like Brandon Chillar/Michael Boley. But I'm not the FO. They'll decide.
Vrabel is not effective as an ILB?
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Vrabel is not effective as an ILB?
Not as effective. His strength is the outside.

And like I said, he takes a beating there.
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Not as effective. I think that that's pretty clearly the case; do you disagree?
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Not as effective. I think that that's pretty clearly the case; do you disagree?
I think the clearcut answer is:

a. if they bring in an OLB will they be an upgrade over vrabel there?

b. if they bring in an ILB will Vrabel be better than that ILB?

Vrabel deserves a spot on this defense but we need to get to the QB better as we saw with the Giants. We need more playmakers
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I agree. But inside is not where Vrabel should go.
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I think the clearcut answer is:

a. if they bring in an OLB will they be an upgrade over vrabel there?

b. if they bring in an ILB will Vrabel be better than that ILB?

Vrabel deserves a spot on this defense but we need to get to the QB better as we saw with the Giants. We need more playmakers
Am I missing something, or did Vrabel not just put up double digit sacks this season? Vrabel's play slowed down when, get this, everyone in the front seven seemed to slow down. Vrabel is not the problem with the pass rush, the problem with the pass rush is that there were not enough bodies after Colvin went down to maintain a quality rotation of LBs. I've said elsewhere on this board, the Patriots need to re-sign or acquire enough LBs (I'd love for it to be through the draft) to maintain a six man rotation, at minimum. Colvin, Vrabes and high round draft pick (fingers crossed it's Gholston) and inside is AD, Bru/Seau, FA, or (fingers crossed) a capable pick from the first three rounds. They need viable depth, depth that they had before Colvin went down and depth that isn't too far off.
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Some of you guys are not getting it. The Pats need to get younger on defense. What's the point of signing another old guy when the Pats have Bruschi and Seau? If the Pats continue to sign these old castoffs that some people suggest then you can bet that next season will end exactly like the previous two (with the defense gassed and can't come up with a stop at the end).
You are the one not getting it. The team has replaced veterans with veterans, not rookies. It's a deliberate move.


And, for the record, I'll take a defense that helps get the team to 18-0 and into the Super Bowl, and then only allows 17 points to the Giants.
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