PatsandTrojans55

You know it's funny you should make a comment. With this post. CB is the least important position on our defense according to you but according to Belchick it's worth at least 7.79 million for 1 season. Sorry I know what I'm talking about and not all emotional like the typical FAN.

Deus Irae

Ahhh... the joy of comedy. Well, just for you, a partial list of players who are arguably better than Samuel:

Woodson
Harris
McKenzie
Bailey
Asomugha
Trufant
Cromartie
Rashean Mathis
Chris McAlister
Ronde Barber

.... and more


Heck, since you want to be smarmy, I'll toss in Hobbs, too.

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Real World

I think Samuel is a good corner, but he's not a shut down corner. He gambles alot, and picks off a lot of passes. He's good, but he's not worth the money he's going to get.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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PatsandTrojans55

WOW!!!!!!! Hobbs to man is he underpaid.

Going by your logic (EMOTIONAL Fan) Belichick and Pioli are some idiots who clearly don't know football.
Let's see Seymour Top-5 D-Line (Paid) (Fans say Overrated)
Deion Branch not worth it (Traded)
Asante Top-5 corner paid $7.79 million for 1 season the average of that's right the TOP 5 at his position so says "THE BEST" organization in Pro Sports. (Fans say Overrated)

I love the FAN.
By the way that list is too funny to go over.

BradyManny

Yawn.

Alright, we'll see how important Samuel is to them this offseason. Of course, he was franchised for the very reason that they didn't think he was worth the long term deal Samuel thought he deserved and they had the luxury of cap room to spend on him.

But thanks for unknowingly proving my point and disproving your own, but what do I know, I'm just a horribly emotional Pats fans. I gotta go take my meds.

PatsandTrojans55

Nice logic. So IF the Patriots don't get Samuel signed you will say "See he's overrated and they didn't want him" Funny......

Now reality, They franchised him to buy some time in hopes of making a deal. Even if he gets a bigger financial deal and takes it over the Pats deal that has NO significance to the value they put on Asante because they have let that be known VERY CLEAR last off season.

The Pats don't throw away cap space on anybody period.
They feel Asante Samuel IS a TOP-5 corner in the NFL. And they Proved that last year with the franchise tag. They knew the starting point for an Asante deal is now set at $7.79 million a season. And they set that bar.

It's not hard to understand unless your an emotional fan.

To say Asante is "Overrated" or that he's not a TOP-5 Corner is saying BB/Pioli are incompentent and don't know what they're doing. Period

sebman2112

just to respond to a few other post...

I don't like the idea of Randall Gay taking over for Asante. The more he played in 2007, the more I noticed his weaknesses and mistakes. I'd rather see NE bring in some first day draft pick(s), and a decent free agent CB to try and fill Asante's spot.

I'll have to first disclose that I've had a dislike for their current coverage schemes. See, I like a more physical brand of football, and I like CB's up at the LOS jamming WR's off their routes and timing. I know the rule changes over the past few years have effected some of your defenses ability to be really physical in coverage, but you don't have to almost completely drop any kind of physical coverage involving your CB's. I'm not at all saying that I'm more intelligent than Pees or BB, but that I liked the coverage schemes BB used to run a lot more, and I think they shouldn't just limit themselves to simply playing that soft zone. Also, Romeo still has his CB's jam at Cleveland, and a lot of other teams started heavily jamming and bumping NE's WR's as the season went along.

I've wondered if part of their using this soft zone was to play into Asante's strengths (jumping routes/risk taking). I also see Asante as more of a finesse CB, who's not really good at jamming a WR. So, if NE had tried to run a more physically oriented coverage they would have been trying to fit a square peg (Asante) into a round hole.

This leads me to wonder (I've been thinking about this for over a year now) if they just might switch their defense up a bit, if Asante leaves?

So, what if they used a coverage scheme that was more suited to Hobbs strengths? I'm not saying they should completely drop that soft zone, as I do think it's useful in some games/circumstances, and I'd like to see how Ellis does with help from the safety over the top. But,I'd like to see them add some other wrinkles back into the secondary.

I actually believe their secondary could improve over the next season or two, if they were to make that adjustment, bring in a first day draft pick who can play zone & be physical, and bring in a decent free agent at CB. I should note that Richardson also has the ability to play physical, and with Meriweather and Rodney's physicality it would make for a pretty tough secondary. Meriweather's overall game (speed, coverage, hitting, tackling), should also upgrade NE's secondary in 2008 as he continues to develop.

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BradyManny

You're either between the ages of 11-13 or Asante Samuel's mother, significant other or agent.

mgcolby

So you are not a fan? Because using your logic ALL FANS believe Seymour is overrated! What position do you play?

Seymour is not overrated but due to multiple injuries has not produced to the value of his contract, thus far. But you pay big money for unique guys!

Deion and a little help from the Mangina forced the Pats hand along with an agent that couldn't shut up. Bad example!

An abundance of cap space, no other FA's and their hesitation to give the "half year wonder" a long term deal led to the tag.

And your interpretation of the tag is flawed, they are not saying he is a Top 5 guy at his position. They recognize that he was a valuable member of their defense who happened to be a free agent and the system is configured to 1) let him walk without receiving anything for him; 2) Tag him and let him prove he is worth the money he is asking and/or work on a long term deal. While only impacting the current year's cap and not jeopardizing future cap space. The top 5 money is a mere concession for the player, not a concrete indication of his value/talent in comparison to every player in the NFL.

I would go into why I think Asante is overrated but the majority of them have been covered in this thread by emotional fans unlike your self!

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Deus Irae

My bad. I didn't realize you were a troll. I thought you were just clueless. Now I know better.

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