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Derrick Mason, from a radio interview on 105.7 The Fan, strongly believes that Peyton Manning is more valuable to his team than Brady is the New England Patriots.

Will 2008 always hang over Tom Brady's career as a testament of his value to the New England Patriots, who went 11-5?

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andrewgarrr

That season is a testament to Matt Cassel's ability as a QB, and the strength of the New England Patroits' franchise from the owner to the equipment manager's intern.

Maybe Peyton is more valuable to the Colts than Brady is to the Patriots, but that doesn't make Peyton a better player than Brady. I've got homer-goggles on whenever anyone talks about this debate so I can't take part in an objective conversation about this, but I strongly believe that this is a weak and irrelevant conjecture to the argument.

sbpatfan

It's probably true, but that's not Brady's fault. It more has to do with how good Belichick is. Or how bad Dungy / Caldwell are. However you want to see it. We look down on 11-5, do you know what that means for some teams?

ctpatsfan77

And to the fact that the Colts have had $#@@#$^ at backup QB for a very long time.

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Snake Eyes

1) Value to the Patriots and Brady's QB skill are 2 different things.

2) Does Joe Montana suddenly stink because Steve Young came in and had success on the same team? Maybe they're both very good QBs and that's why we went 11-5 with Cassell. Also, when judging Cassell since he left it's important to note that in his first season with the Chiefs they installed a new OC and playbook a few weeks before the season started, a magnificent way to screw over your QB. Last year he seemed like he was finally hitting his stride, even with a psychotic coach, but he'll have a new OC yet again this year since Weiss left.

Circumstance will result in Cassell not getting his due, which in turn means TFB won't get his.

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Deus Irae

Unless Cassel goes on to do something impressive in the postseason, the answer is probably yes.

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ausbacker

Being more valuable to a team isn't an indicator of being the better player.

HomerSchooled

People act like the Patriots didn't lose a step from 2007 when losing Brady in 2008. In what world is 7 fewer wins (5 regular season, 2 post season), 29 fewer td passes, 3 more interceptions, and a passer rating almost 30 points lower not a steep decline? To say with any conviction that Manning's back ups would have any worse a drop off has no basis in reality. Jim Sorgi, Manning's most prominent back-up, always played well in spot duty, and to this day even has way a higher career passer rating than Cassel.

Just because the Patriots (and Brady too, it should be noted) care enough to cultivate a back-up doesn't make Brady any less of a QB. It's just the Patriot way. Cassel has since proven himself a pro bowl QB in KC, and this year played significantly better there than he ever did here. If our system can succeed with anyone, than why would he improve when liberated from it?

Haters gonna hate. It is what it is.

upstater1

There're so many ways you can cut this argument. An 11-5 record and missing the playoffs means nothing. You can find better 9-7 teams than that 11-5 team. A year later the Patriots had a tougher schedule and a worse record WITH Brady. So what?

Beyond that, someone could make the argument that Brady is worth more to the Patriots. Without Brady the Patriots don't win 3 Super Bowls. Noe THAT is value.

Do the Patriots win 3 Super Bowls without Brady?

randomk1

I've had this discussion with a bunch of idiots i don't know how many times.
They keep comparing the 08 Patriots vs the 09 Patriots as a basis for their argument for some reason.

I keep saying that you should be comparing to the 07 Patriots because the roster is pretty similar to 08. 09 was a team that lost many of it's leaders and the fact that Brady was coming back from a season ending injury.

People love to hate winners.

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