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Man, when did Patsfans become so touchy over the mere suggestion that some guys on the Jets roster might be good players? Harris is a very good LB, that should not be a controversial statement. Mayo's better, but it's closer than most of you seem to be willing to acknowledge, and that's by no means a knock on Mayo.
How do you guys think the Jets have made it to 2 AFCCGs with Mark Sanchez at QB? With a lot of really talented players on defense, of course.
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yeah...notice Frink has all but ignored the Bart Scott "performance" issues at crunch time, do or die the past two seasons. Forget Patriot fans...ANY NFL football fan will tell you that Scott failed miserably when it mattered most against Indy and then last season against a crippled, hamstrung Pitt offense, which basically ran the ball right down Scott's throat at will all game. Two solo tackles for the game???? An All Pro on Mayo's level??? Is there anyone else on the planet but a gaggling green homer that thinks Scoot is as good a tackling machine?
It's preposterous...and Frink's backpedal and cornered green rodent act is transparent and flimsy. Yes, David Harris is a fine LB'er...so is Mayo..Mayo had better numbers last season...you pick one....but Bart Scott??????...what...what about Blart Squirt besides being a bigmouthed flap gums fraud makes anyone think HE belongs in the conversation..?
He doesn't...not on THIS planet, anyway...perhaps on Planet Pedicure or an adjacent moon like Tripper Alosi...but you'd have to ask a space alien(or Jet fan, they're interchangeable) about that.
Well, I noted earlier how stupid it was to judge a player with 9 years of service on just two games. I stand by that statement. I also brought up the fact that he got hurt in the AFCC game in Indy, something you don't seem to want to acknowledge. Finally, I can't really comment on his performance against Pitt, I was still sick to my stomach over the loss the week before to watch that game.
But the real stupidity of your post lies with the fact that I never actually said Scott was Mayo's better or equal. I think he does a great job in his role within the defense (an important role) but I also mentioned him not being as athletic or talented. Scott has limitations that Mayo and Harris don't have, but that doesn't mean he isn't a very good player who has a large impact on his team's success.
You got found out for being a bullshît artist and don't like it. Statistics & performance refute your opinion as well as general consensus and expert opinion. So we have 3 basic metrics there that discredit your personal opinion, not 1 but 3. 3 unrelated metrics.
The biggest idiots are the ones who don't know when to give up after they've been flogged. You're in that boat.
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You're a pretty odd dude, and I'm starting to believe your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking. Suddenly I'm a bull**** artist?
How does believing Davis Harris is an elite LB make me a bull**** artist? Or is it because I don't think tackle stats make for an accurate measurement of a players' impact?
You'll excuse me if "general consensus" at patsfans.com is something I take with a grain of salt. You might notice, however, that when "expert" opinion was brought into discussion, I CONCEDED THE POINT.
What I haven't conceded is that David Harris is an excellent player (there hasn't been any evidence brought forth to suggest otherwise) and that you have brought nothing to this discussion other than a very unlikeable tone of arrogance.
Now, I have to disagree with you, there.
I believe that Brother Aussie has brought a very likeable tone of Arrogance.
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yeah...notice Frink has all but ignored the Bart Scott "performance" issues at crunch time, do or die the past two seasons. Forget Patriot fans...ANY NFL football fan will tell you that Scott failed miserably when it mattered most against Indy and then last season against a crippled, hamstrung Pitt offense, which basically ran the ball right down Scott's throat at will all game. Two solo tackles for the game???? An All Pro on Mayo's level??? Is there anyone else on the planet but a gaggling green homer that thinks Scoot is as good a tackling machine?
It's preposterous...and Frink's backpedal and cornered green rodent act is transparent and flimsy.
Yes, David Harris is a fine LB'er...so is Mayo..Mayo had better numbers last season...you pick one....but Bart Scott??????...what...what about Blart Squirt besides being a bigmouthed flap gums fraud makes anyone think HE belongs in the conversation..?
He doesn't...not on THIS planet, anyway...perhaps on Planet Pedicure or an adjacent moon like Tripper Alosi...but you'd have to ask a space alien(or Jet fan, they're interchangeable) about that.
Nothing against Brother Frink and his attempts to defend an utterly helpless and foolish position...But I literally LOL'd at that "Green Rodent" line!!
Blart Squirt!! HAH!!
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I think people are giving BaltimorePatsFan way too much crap for his statement. Harris and Scott are both excellent LBs and personally I think David Harris is every bit the player Mayo is. What is it exactly that Mayo does so much better than him? Is he better in coverage? As a blitzer? Can he peel off blocks better? I don't see any of that, and don't just throw tackle numbers at me, there is a hell of a lot more that goes into evaluating an ILB than just tackles.
As far as Scott goes, I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have the athleticism and raw talent that Mayo and Harris have. Because of that, he plays a different type of role than the other two, he does more of the dirty work. As far as effectiveness in his role goes, he is fantastic. Those low tackle numbers do not represent the kind of high impact player he is to a run defense. He's also an excellent blitzer and has the speed to run down players who attack the edge.
Huh??????? You post THIS below after posting THAT above??? And I'M a lunatic???
Well, I noted earlier how stupid it was to judge a player with 9 years of service..9 years service. I didn't know that.Why would I, a Pats fan, know EXACTLY how many years Bart Scott has played???Why would I ever care???Matters to you though, Frink...enough to assert right away I must be stupid for not "knowing" about Bart Scott's career. That's pure JET FAN talk right there .. on just two games. if playoff performance doesn't matter to you ,why even WATCH the postseason..I stand by that statement. I also brought up the fact that he got hurt in the AFCC game in Indy, something you don't seem to want to acknowledge.Musta missed THAT caveat, but who cares...he ran his mouth like a perpetual motion machine before the Indy game and did ZERO. His "injury' was his wounded pride Finally, I can't really comment on his performance against Pitt, I was still sick to my stomach over the loss the week before to watch that game.I was at the loss to the Jets in Foxboro. I had absolutely zero problems watching the Jets play Pitt. I wanted to see the Jets get horrified and they did...just as I watched big mouth Scott get handed his lunch and leave the field at games end a laughingstock.
But the real stupidity of your post lies with the fact that I never actually said Scott was Mayo's better or equal. I think he does a great job in his role within the defense (an important role) but I also mentioned him not being as athletic or talented. Scott has limitations that Mayo and Harris don't have, but that doesn't mean he isn't a very good player who has a large impact on his team's success. once again...HUGE GAME...BIG TIME SPOTLIGHT...CRIPPLED PITT OFFENSE...BART SCOTT...TWO SOLO TACKLES
So...Frink...tell us more about Westhoff and his Sal Alosi theories...do you have a grasp or a TOE-hold on the subject???
So...Frink...tell us more about Westhoff and his Sal Alosi theories...do you have a grasp or a TOE-hold on the subject???
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I think people are giving BaltimorePatsFan way too much crap for his statement. Harris and Scott are both excellent LBs and personally I think David Harris is every bit the player Mayo is. What is it exactly that Mayo does so much better than him? Is he better in coverage? As a blitzer? Can he peel off blocks better? I don't see any of that, and don't just throw tackle numbers at me, there is a hell of a lot more that goes into evaluating an ILB than just tackles.
As far as Scott goes, I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have the athleticism and raw talent that Mayo and Harris have. Because of that, he plays a different type of role than the other two, he does more of the dirty work. As far as effectiveness in his role goes, he is fantastic. Those low tackle numbers do not represent the kind of high impact player he is to a run defense. He's also an excellent blitzer and has the speed to run down players who attack the edge.
Any respected football analyst and they will tell you Bart Scott's high level of play has had an enormous impact on the Jets' defense the last two years.
I still believe Mayo is the better player, but it's certainly not as one-sided as people in this thread want to believe.
Professor Frink Professor Frink... where art thou o Rufio bangarang.
1. You made the comment Harris was as good as Mayo. That's been proven incorrect on three different levels. General consensus is not Patsfans.com, it's NFL fans. You don't like nor understand this.
2. Bart Scott is a huge impact player. That's why he made considerably less plays than Jerod Mayo in 2010. Funny how tackles aren't that important according to you yet myriads of articles and news items come out across 2010/2011 championing the surest tacklers in the NFL and their importance.
3. Excellent blitzer Bart Scott. Pulled an impressive 1 sack season in 2010.
4. Yes I agree Jerod Mayo is a fantastic player. I agree that you agree Jerod Mayo is a better player than Bart Scott. You made this comment. You've confused yourself as to why you're arguing given Scott had a better year than Harris who Mayo obliterated and matched for combined seasons.
Pompous, arrogant blah blah blah I'm not the fool arguing one point of view than contradicting myself during my argument.
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I stated my opinionthat Harris is as good as Mayo. Then I simply asked why people felt so strongly the other way. Like I said in my last post, if you had written about Harris' limitations or brought any kind of nuance to the argument I would have respected it. Instead you say "Mayo is better at everything." Sorry, but to me that comes across as just some simpleton BS.
You keep trumpeting "statistical evidence" but that same evidence would lead me to believe Paul Posluszny is a better player than Patrick Willis. Basically, it's not evidence at all. There are no significant differences in the other categories, why is this not considered evidence that perhaps the gap between the two isn't as wide? When did tackles become such an important metric for measuring and comparing players?
So you've pretty much brought nothing to this discussion and just acted like an arrogant douchenozzle the whole time. Just so you know, you are allowed to disagree with people without acting like a smug know-it-all. You should try it some time.
1. You did state your opinion that Harris is as good as Mayo. You also said Mayo > Scott which means Scott > Harris which means Mayo > Scott > Harris. This one is real simple. PRODUCTION.
2. Paul Posluszny is an excellent footballer and underrated. Attempting to use him in an unrelated argument is juvenile mistake.
3. I agree I haven't brought much to our to and fro. You haven't provided me with a reasonable challenge given you've basically discounted 3 unrelated measures of player performance/regard because you don't like it. Sooky sooky la la.
4. I'm not disagreeing with people, I'm disagreeing with an idiotic opinion. I happen to think Scott and Harris are good players but they're certainly not in the top echelon of linebackers like Mayo is. You refuse to accept this.
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You're a pretty odd dude, and I'm starting to believe your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking. Suddenly I'm a bull**** artist?
How does believing Davis Harris is an elite LB make me a bull**** artist? Or is it because I don't think tackle stats make for an accurate measurement of a players' impact?
You'll excuse me if "general consensus" at patsfans.com is something I take with a grain of salt. You might notice, however, that when "expert" opinion was brought into discussion, I CONCEDED THE POINT.
What I haven't conceded is that David Harris is an excellent player (there hasn't been any evidence brought forth to suggest otherwise) and that you have brought nothing to this discussion other than a very unlikeable tone of arrogance.
1. Because he doesn't have the numbers and performances. Simple.
2. This point has been covered multiple times. You did concede the point which basically makes all of your points moot and my initial point the correct one. Why you've bothered to argue past this is your problem.
3. Unlikeable.. I'll wager it's been rather enjoyable to some seeing someone with an unsupportable point of view attempt to support that with nothing other than opinion. I've found it mildly entertaining.
Mayo >>>>>>>>>>Harris>>Scott
In summary and after much thought provoking argument you agree that Mayo is better than David Harris and Bart Scott even in light of your own contradictions. Funny that isn't it.
Man, when did Patsfans become so touchy over the mere suggestion that some guys on the Jets roster might be good players? Harris is a very good LB, that should not be a controversial statement. Mayo's better, but it's closer than most of you seem to be willing to acknowledge, and that's by no means a knock on Mayo.
How do you guys think the Jets have made it to 2 AFCCGs with Mark Sanchez at QB? With a lot of really talented players on defense, of course.
It's got nothing to do with Patsfans or Patriots-Jets. It's got plenty to do with comparing average to good players against the best in the NFL.
I'd be exactly the same if someone was trying to say Jay Cutler was as good as Phillip Rivers.
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I think people are giving BaltimorePatsFan way too much crap for his statement. Harris and Scott are both excellent LBs and personally I think David Harris is every bit the player Mayo is. What is it exactly that Mayo does so much better than him? Is he better in coverage? As a blitzer? Can he peel off blocks better? I don't see any of that, and don't just throw tackle numbers at me, there is a hell of a lot more that goes into evaluating an ILB than just tackles.
As far as Scott goes, I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have the athleticism and raw talent that Mayo and Harris have. Because of that, he plays a different type of role than the other two, he does more of the dirty work. As far as effectiveness in his role goes, he is fantastic. Those low tackle numbers do not represent the kind of high impact player he is to a run defense. He's also an excellent blitzer and has the speed to run down players who attack the edge.
Huh??????? You post THIS below after posting THAT above??? And I'M a lunatic???
Well, I noted earlier how stupid it was to judge a player with 9 years of service..9 years service. I didn't know that.Why would I, a Pats fan, know EXACTLY how many years Bart Scott has played???Why would I ever care???Matters to you though, Frink...enough to assert right away I must be stupid for not "knowing" about Bart Scott's career. That's pure JET FAN talk right there .. on just two games. if playoff performance doesn't matter to you ,why even WATCH the postseason..I stand by that statement. I also brought up the fact that he got hurt in the AFCC game in Indy, something you don't seem to want to acknowledge.Musta missed THAT caveat, but who cares...he ran his mouth like a perpetual motion machine before the Indy game and did ZERO. His "injury' was his wounded pride Finally, I can't really comment on his performance against Pitt, I was still sick to my stomach over the loss the week before to watch that game.I was at the loss to the Jets in Foxboro. I had absolutely zero problems watching the Jets play Pitt. I wanted to see the Jets get horrified and they did...just as I watched big mouth Scott get handed his lunch and leave the field at games end a laughingstock.
But the real stupidity of your post lies with the fact that I never actually said Scott was Mayo's better or equal. I think he does a great job in his role within the defense (an important role) but I also mentioned him not being as athletic or talented. Scott has limitations that Mayo and Harris don't have, but that doesn't mean he isn't a very good player who has a large impact on his team's success. once again...HUGE GAME...BIG TIME SPOTLIGHT...CRIPPLED PITT OFFENSE...BART SCOTT...TWO SOLO TACKLES
So...Frink...tell us more about Westhoff and his Sal Alosi theories...do you have a grasp or a TOE-hold on the subject???
Wow. A truly amazing amount of stupidity in this post. I know I shouldn't waste my time responding, but here I go anyway.
1) I never called you a lunatic. But the fact that you fabricated in your mind that I did, that does make me believe you are one.
2) You seem to have a problem with me being complementary of Bart Scott's play. Get over it. There are good players in the NFL outside of the Patriots, and believe it or not some of them reside in the AFC East.
3) Apparently, a Jets fan = someone who knows how to google Bart Scott. I don't care that you don't know EXACTLY how many years he's been playing, I care that you wish to judge his entire career on two games.
4) I never said playoff performances weren't important. They just need to be looked at in proper context. Two games doesn't mean you're not an impressive player with a good career.
5) The fact that you have no problem criticizing a players performance in a game without knowing that he didn't play in most of said game tells me that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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