The "pass-rushing OLB" myth - Page 7 - New England Patriots Forums

***AndyJohnson*** · 05-01-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by randomk1

Umm....you are more likely going to have an incompletion/interception than a completion when throwing to his side. Peyton Manning targeted Wayne just once and for 1 yard during the playoff game if i'm not mistaken. Safe to say it's as close to eliminated as can be.

Thats not what you are saying though. You are saying its easy to scheme a pass rush, because the QB won't ever look there. (1 game doesnt make your point)
By the way, the Jets pass rush was poor last year.

***ausbacker*** · 05-01-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by randomk1

BB has won 5,no? I think he deserves alot of credit for the giants wins considering one of his gameplans is in the hall of fame.

I was just referring to his tenure as a Head Coach in New England. The intimation given his résumé was ridiculous.

randomk1 · 05-01-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

Thats not what you are saying though. You are saying its easy to scheme a pass rush, because the QB won't ever look there. (1 game doesnt make your point)
By the way, the Jets pass rush was poor last year.

It wasn't just 1 game...how many passes were thrown at Revis 2010?

In 09 as you said that he was tested but he also had like 8 interceptions and rarely anything good comes when you throw his way. You might get a short completion.

It's bull**** to argue the impact Revis has on the entire Jets D. Revis is the most complete defensive player in the NFL and the best defensive player in the NFL in my opinion.

Last i checked we don't have Revis at cornerback and our pass rush ain't any better than the Jets have.

Snake Eyes · 05-01-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

stater

Why would you expect correct info to matter to that guy?

In a QB driven league, the second most important position is the franchise left tackle.

Anybody who would rather have a DE over a franchise left tackle is completely clueless.

Umm, yeah, the thing is that we already have a franchise LT, who has shown he can do it, in Vollmer, unlike Solder, who hasnt.

Snake Eyes · 05-01-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by patsfaninpittsburgh

The mental disease continues. History shows that sustained reality will never unconvince people committed to really stupid ideas.

.....and if you watched the draft this weekend the analysts spent the weekend talking about how the Jets didn't have a "pass rusher"...

The Jets have a better secondary. With 7/8 in coverage they dared us to run. We didn't.

The Steelers did and won.

We just drafted two more RB's. Solution drafted.

If a pass rusher really mattered, Dallas would be #1 with Ware

Pittsburgh's defense wouldn't completely suck without Polamalu

Matthews wouldn't need untouched sacks (thanx secondary) to get stats.

This is a QB driven, you can never have too many good CB's league. BB and Rexy (to his credit) realize this.

Your "pass rusher" and pass rush will compliment and integrate.

The won area I would like us to "copycat" is the Giants and have four Dline that can get pressure. With Wright/Pryor/ T Warren, we have a good base.

Interesting how the pass rusher psychos will never realize that our best pass rushers were not available for the playoffs.

Now if we could only get to what should be expected of a unit comprised of rookies and second year players........

Do you know what a "strawman argument" is? It's what you're doing by attacking the argument that "the pass rush will solve everything" which is NOT the argument ANYONE on this board is making, everyone here believes in the importance of the secondary, there is no reason why we can't upgrade the secondary AND also improve the pass rush.

Here's a simple question that just might be simple enough for you: would having DeMarcus Ware instead of TBC improve our defense?

zoostation · 05-01-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by memento

The majority of the league relies on pin-your-ears back rushers, so the majority of superbowl winners will have the Clay Matthews and the Dwight Freeneys. Doesn't mean collapsing the pocket slowly but surely won't work.

I'd rather have a pocket collapser that can also look for the run. I'm still haunted by the 2009 playoff loss.

Exactly. The Patriots D will gel as a unit. Look for some of the younger D-linemen and LB's develop. And don't rule out a strong return from Ty Warren

patsoxfan · 05-01-2011, 12:11 PM

2003 OLBs 19.5 sacks 41 total
2004 OLBs 21.5 sacks 45 total
2010 OLBs 15.5 sacks 36 total

patriot lifer · 05-01-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by patsoxfan

2003 OLBs 19.5 sacks 41 total
2004 OLBs 21.5 sacks 45 total
2010 OLBs 15.5 sacks 36 total

Again, see the post on the first page of this thread. We were one of the top sacking units in the latter half of the season last year. Sacks weren't the issue. (post #9)

***BradyFTW!*** · 05-01-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BaltimorePatsFan

Regardless of position, the Pats need an elite pass rusher if they want to win a title.

10 Packers: Clay Matthews (OLB)
09 Saints: Will Smith
08 Steelers: Harrison and Woodley (OLB)
07 Giants: Strahan, Umenyiora, and Tuck
06 Colts: Freeney and Mathis

Patriots: Tully Banta-Cain???

Will Smith isn't even close to an elite edge rusher, and Justin Tuck is another beast entirely (an interior rusher, which I think we all agree the Pats need more of, and might have on their roster already).

It's pretty clear that you're writing revisionist history here. I would certainly like for the Pats to have another edge rusher (who wouldn't?), but even if you look back at the Super Bowl defenses, we didn't get many more sacks from the OLBs than we do now (At least until last year). If anything, we're missing the Seymour and Bruschi production. The hole that was created at DE when we traded Seymour, IMO, continues to be by far the largest roadblock to the D returning to excellence. Unfortunately, there's maybe 1 guy per year in the draft who could come close to filling that hole with the desired level of play, and he's always gone in the top 5. FWIW I'm also a little pessimistic about Ty Warren coming back strong, so that doesn't help either.

Doggin94it · 05-01-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Big-T

The Jets don't, they have a good scheme and a good secondary.

What have the Patriots done the last couple of years? Yep, started to build up a strong secondary and if McCourty can play as well/better than last year, with Bodden back in the mix the pass rush (which will be determined by scheme, not personnel) will get that extra half a second to hit the QB more frequently.

No, we have a good scheme and great CBs (including the best in the game today - McCourty is damn good but you can't man him up on the opponent's best receiver and play 10 on 10 against the rest, the way the Jets like to do with Revis), but decent safeties at best, and the lack of pressure at times last year let teams eat us alive in the passing game by targeting our safeties, lbs, and third and 4th corners (who played ok, but couldn't cover for the 4-5 seconds QBs were routinely getting against us)