Originally Posted by TommyD4207

Ok, this post makes me want to call you retarded, although I won't.

The Patriots have the most explosive offense of all-time. That's numerical. If you want to bring back the 6 year old "Brady is nothing but a dinker-dunker" arguement; I suggest you watch the first Jets game, the Chargers Game, The Cinicinatti game, The First Buffalo Game, The First Miami game, The Washington Game, The Second Buffalo game and the Giants game to see how "Non-Explosive" this offense is. Also throw in the Colts game, because it's the reason they lost. You don't throw for 4800 yds and 50 TD by dinking and dunking. You just don't. I have no idea what team you're watching by some of your comments.

Originally Posted by TommyD4207

The Chargers corners are clearly better than the Patriots'.
That said, to say the Patriots defensive backs aren't good isn't just silly, it's also just flat out wrong.

And again, you're matching up Defensive Backs and Receivers as if they're going to play man up coverage. If they do that, the Patriots will win by multiple touchdowns. Norv Turner essentially said himself he would never put Cromartie on Moss in man up coverage in his presser today.

Originally Posted by haventrinity12

I get what he's saying. The pats offense is explosive, but they also have the ability to methodically rip piece by piece. The other teams that were known as explosive lived and died with the long ball or some sort of quick hit and couldn't score any other way. Billick's playbook in 98-99 entailed a variety of plays such as long pass to moss, bomb to moss, deep throw to moss, and dear god let moss catch this. This offense will take what you give them and don't have just one way to beat you, and they're just as likely to have a 15 play 10 minute drive as to score a 70 yarder. He worded it in an odd fashion, but I get what he's saying.

Originally Posted by Dojo Chargerfan

Cro has grown into probably the best CB in the league

Originally Posted by fnordcircle

No, he is not the best CB in the league. In another year or two he may very well but, but right now he's not. I'm not taking anything away from the guy but he needs just a little more seasoning to get the savvy of a guy like Ty Law or other CBs who have stayed at the top of their game for the bulk of their career.



Jammer's great, no doubt. I'd take Jammer over any CB on the field, but I'd take Asante second even with his abyssmal game last week. He's got a more proven track record than Cromartie.

Harrison and Sanders, who I feel is underrated, I take over them over your safeties.

What gets lost in this, and I think bears serious consideration, is that as the season wore on there was absolutely no doubt that teams were preparing for the Patriots like it was their super bowl. Teams that had no business playing out of their minds did so. Certainly some of that is on the Patriots' D but you've also got to give credit where credit is due. In spite of that, and the huge leads this team often put on other teams, they very nearly lead the league in points allowed.

In the end I do give the nod to SD's defense overall for talent and speed without any doubt. Not to get all silly but I do feel that the Patriots' D holds a serious edge when it comes to experience and savvy and these things do seem to pay dividends in the post season even if they cannot be captured on a stat sheet.

So I guess we're basically agreeing with each other, for the most part.

Originally Posted by fnordcircle

Ty Warren is better than Richard Seymour. He's consistent against the run and the pass and doesn't take 6 weeks off every goddamn year.

Wilfork and Jamal are even no doubt. But our ends are better than your ends.

Of course you got it all over us for LBs. I think DB is closer than you'd think, though.

Originally Posted by haventrinity12

Williams and Wilfork are even when they're healthy, but from what I saw against the colts, Williams isn't healthy and hasn't been all season.

Originally Posted by haventrinity12

You're never ready to replace a dominant nose tackle, and that position makes the rest of the 3-4 defense's world go 'round. You don't know how long a player can last once their injury is nagging, especially when we're talking about a player that needs all the leverage he can get to slam his 300 pound body into one or more other 300 pound bodies. Perhaps he will come back and return to his old ways, but it wouldn't suprise me if the opposite happened especially considering his age. Why is Williams only recently known as one of the best? Is is because the chargers are good? You don't magically turn into a premier nose guard at 31 years of age.