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Old 03-09-2011, 03:52 PM   #1
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Default Report: Agreement reached on rookie pay scale

Per Jason Cole of Yahoo!:

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According to two sources familiar with the negotiations, the league and the union have reached a basic compromise on a rookie wage scale that will replace the current rookie salary cap. The owners backed off the idea of requiring first-round picks to sign five-year deals, instead limiting the contracts to four years before a player could become a free agent. The agreement is also expected to include a stipulation limiting the amount of guaranteed money and signing bonus offered to draft picks.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:13 PM   #2
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If the negotiation extensions were promising enough, both sides agreeing on the rookie pay scale could only develop into a foundation for a happy ending. I've been growing more and more concerned on how hard the NFLPA wanted to push for more financial documents.
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One thing to note about the final agreement: first-round deals would be limited to four years, and all subsequent rounds would be limited to three years—but all such players would be subject to restricted free agent tags. I'm guessing that it wouldn't really be a vast difference from the current system, and that the RFA tenders would effectively replace the escalator clauses found in most rookie deals (that is, instead of saying, "OK, if you play 50% of the snaps your first three seasons, we'll give you an extra $500K in year four," teams would be able to look back and decide what was appropriate for them).
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i think this is the only thing they can agree on, still are ways away from the actual cba getting done... espically after today..
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One possibility is that they sign an agreement, as an ammendment to the last CBA regarding the pay scale so the pay scale can be effective during this year's draft.

That way if there is no agreement when the 2010-2011 contract year is allowed to end, the draft would be in place including a rookie pay scale.

Otherwise, even with a CBA in May or June, the rookie pay scale would be delayed unit 2012, something no one wants.

There is nothing else that needs to agreed to immediately.
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The result of this would be that there would be the lockout, the de-certification and a delay of a couple of months.
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Obviously, it would be better to have a complete agrement, but that may not be possible.
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One possibility is that they sign an agreement, as an ammendment to the last CBA regarding the pay scale so the pay scale can be effective during this year's draft.

That way if there is no agreement when the 2010-2011 contract year is allowed to end, the draft would be in place including a rookie pay scale.

Otherwise, even with a CBA in May or June, the rookie pay scale would be delayed unit 2012, something no one wants.

There is nothing else that needs to agreed to immediately.
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The result of this would be that there would be the lockout, the de-certification and a delay of a couple of months.
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Obviously, it would be better to have a complete agrement, but that may not be possible.
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The reports of an agreement may be premature. That said mg, when are you going to come to grips with the fact that they don't need to agree on that piece before the draft as long as it is part of a new CBA. Absent one the rookies will either be locked out with the veterans until a new deal is done or working under owners work rules as the result of decertification and an injunction against a lockout...
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One possibility is that they sign an agreement, as an ammendment to the last CBA regarding the pay scale so the pay scale can be effective during this year's draft.

That way if there is no agreement when the 2010-2011 contract year is allowed to end, the draft would be in place including a rookie pay scale.

Otherwise, even with a CBA in May or June, the rookie pay scale would be delayed unit 2012, something no one wants.

There is nothing else that needs to agreed to immediately.
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The result of this would be that there would be the lockout, the de-certification and a delay of a couple of months.
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Obviously, it would be better to have a complete agrement, but that may not be possible.
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In the absence of a CBA, are teams allowed to sign rookies?
There seems to be agreement that the draft can go forward and teams would own the rights, but cannot sign udfa's. Can teams sign their own picks?
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In the absence of a CBA, are teams allowed to sign rookies?
There seems to be agreement that the draft can go forward and teams would own the rights, but cannot sign udfa's. Can teams sign their own picks?
No and No. Which is why it doesn't matter if the CBA gets done now or in May as far as the rookie pay scale is concerned.

Some funny tweets out there tonight. Rosenhaus is like the proverbial cat on a hot tin roof. Wants to know how much more the union can be expected to give up if the rookie wage scale has been agreed to... Apparently no one told Drew the money won't be going to the owners in anyone's plan. It will be going to either active or retired players in some form or another... An agent on his level can't be as dumb as he's projecting, so it must be for effect... Trying to rally the fans.
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Come to grips, call it what you want.

I do not believe that the new CBA will call for changing the conditions of the current draft which takes place under the old CBA without a rookie pay scale in place UNLESS the new CBA is signed beofre the draft. While I understand that a CBA signed in May could try to backdate that condition (since contracts won't have been signed), I don't think that this would happen. It is simply poor contrct protocol. I've been part of lots of contract negotiations in my life, and have viewed lots more contracts. That just isn't the way contracts are written. Both the NFLPA and the owners want a rookie cap, and they both want to avoid an immediate law suit. If there no agreement until May, then I predict the rookie sclae will start in 2012.

I cannot make a personal guarantee since I am not an attorney representing anyone. HOWEVER, if the CBA is signed after the draft and there is a rookie pay scale applying to an event before the signing (the 2011 draft), I suggest that representatives of those drafted in the top ten of the draft would and SHOULD sue. After all, tens of million of dollars would be at stake.

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The reports of an agreement may be premature. That said mg, when are you going to come to grips with the fact that they don't need to agree on that piece before the draft as long as it is part of a new CBA. Absent one the rookies will either be locked out with the veterans until a new deal is done or working under owners work rules as the result of decertification and an injunction against a lockout...
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Come to grips, call it what you want.

I do not believe that the new CBA will call for changing the conditions of the current draft which takes place under the old CBA without a rookie pay scale in place UNLESS the new CBA is signed beofre the draft. While I understand that a CBA signed in May could try to backdate that condition (since contracts won't have been signed), I don't think that this would happen. It is simply poor contrct protocol. I've been part of lots of contract negotiations in my life, and have viewed lots more contracts. That just isn't the way contracts are written. Both the NFLPA and the owners want a rookie cap, and they both want to avoid an immediate law suit. If there no agreement until May, then I predict the rookie sclae will start in 2012.

I cannot make a personal guarantee since I am not an attorney representing anyone. HOWEVER, if the CBA is signed after the draft and there is a rookie pay scale applying to an event before the signing (the 2011 draft), I suggest that representatives of those drafted in the top ten of the draft would and SHOULD sue. After all, tens of million of dollars would be at stake.
I dont understand.
When the CBA is agreed to, assuming it is after the draft, it will include rules for the 2011 season and beyond.
Those players are not part of the union until they sign, so the expired CBA would have nothing to do with them. I guess you could argue the draft takes place under the old CBA, but the old CBA ends there, and does not address rookie salaries in 2011. As I see it they HAVE to address 2011 rookie pay in the new CBA and start the new plan this year, because the old doesnt address what the 2011 rookies pay scale would be.
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