FootballFan85

Ive been reading this board all season (amazing board by the way, probably one of the most active I've ever seen)

Im not a Pats fan, Im a Minnesota fan, and I just dont understand some of the behaviour around here.

I constantly read posts by Pats fans who seem to honestly believe that the NFL and the game officials are actually out to get them! These people aren't kidding, theyre sincere, and its a fairly common view.

I mean honestly? Every team gets bad calls against them and every team gets bad calls in their favour. Its human nature to only remember the bad ones that go against you, just like in poker where you only remember all the times you got beat by some random fluke but never remember when a miracle card falls in your favour.

How is it that any fan in any city, especially one whose team is UNDEFEATED can actually be so ignorant as to think the league and its officials hold a vendetta against them?

I consistantly see how much you guys love to call fans in other cities "whiners". "The Colts are the biggest whiners", "The Steelers are the biggest whiners", etc, yes so many of you sit here and complain about how bad the NFL treats you, how biased the refs are, etc.

Can someone please explain to me how any serious sports fan with a drop of a clue can actually think their team is being targeted by league officials and refs? Id love to understand.

Do you actually believe the refs are out to get you? Do you actually believe the Commissioner is against you? Do you actually believe that GM from the Colts has the power to mold the league to his liking so his team could beat you? Do you actually believe that the NFL intentionally lets other teams off on things and nails the patriots just for kicks?

You guys are on pace for a perfect season and you STILL complain and make conspiracy theories. SHould that not make YOU the biggest whiners? I cant even imagine what this place would sound like if the Pats lost a game.

(oh and dont use "bullcrap Offensive PI on Moss". Its been happening his WHOLE career. Minnesota fans remember it well. The fact of the matter is, he should know by now whats going to happen if he puts his hands on a dback. Its bull**** yes, but its not new)

(oh and sorry to the Pats fans around here who actually write with their brains, I dont mean to group you in with the crazies)

ShrewBeer

for me, its this whole spygate thing. our team was dragged through the mud, and kicked while down, all for nothing. its so frustrating. im not sure i believe that the refs are against us, although i believe that the refs are for the colts.

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oldskool138

Well, I think that a lot of the complaints about the officiating come out of the Colts game this year. Did watch that one? 141 penalty yards for the Pats vs. 25 for the Colts.

Lately, the officiating has been pretty good (esp. in the Steelers game where the refs let the boys play some football).

There are some wacky conspiracy theorists that like to post here but don't let them skew your view. We New Englanders like to complain about stuff and it's hard to complain about a team that's 14-0.

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FootballFan85

Do you not understand though that EVERY team has fans who believe the refs are "for" their rivals?

To say the refs are FOR any team is insane! Different refs do the games each week. Is the entire reffing staff of the NFL Colts fans? Just because theyre a rival who give you guys trouble doesnt make the refs in their pocket.

I think I'll start saying the refs are for whatever team Minnesota ends up playing if we hit the playoffs.

FootballFan85

I did actually. Who didnt?!?!?!

And yea it was a bad game. But it was ONE game. Do you know how many games like that there are all season with different teams being the victims and benefactors?

PatsfanGlo

In my opinion, our deep seeded suspicion began with Bill Polian meddling with PI rule. Polian *****ed and moaned about everything Pats did to the point that they made Ty Law rule, made Pats change field turf and so on. Polian being very influential person in NFL, I think most of us began to develop mistrust for NFL leadership board. I don't think a lot of us are conspiracy theorists though. We did have some major gripes about officiating during Colts game but for most part, I can't really complain much.

taltos

I do believe that the NFL Competition Commitee is out to get the Patriots in the persons of Poulian and Fox. Check out points of enforcement over the past three years and Pats appeals against the Colts and Titans. We could have video proof and it is disallowed. Check out unequal enforcement with a technical violation that had no effect on competition because the Pats filmed in a forbidden area although filming was allowed. What did they do to the Broncos when they screwed with the salary cap which has more effect on competition? Watch any game and see if the Patriots get an even break on penalties. If you think so, you are not being unbiased. My brother is a Giants fan and I showed him several tapes and he agreed that the Pats are getting screwed. One last comment since I question why you have the right to question our fans and our team, GFY. Get lost *******.

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oldskool138

Yeah, but with a differential of 136 penalty yards? Two of the three big PI calls against the Pats were ticky-tack at best.

Personally, I don't think the refs are "out to get us". I mean, if they did have a vendetta against the Pats then we would have lost the Ravens game. The officiating isn't the greatest but like coach Belichick says "It is what it is".

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FootballFan85

Ok but would you agree or disagree that the rule changes made the game more exciting?
Its just like in hockey where rule changes were made to give skill players more chance to use their talent. Sure if you were a fan of a team with a bunch of goons whod won by clutching and grabbing you might be pissed (NOT saying thats what the pats were) but the reality is its good for the game.

Im sure New Englands own Randy Moss approves of the changes Polian initiated, and Im sure Tom Brady does too now that the two are on pace to set records.

maverick4

ffan85, look at the huge discrepency in penalty calls and yardage for the Pats versus the Colts.

It is... really hard to say with a straight face that it's purely coincidence.