Ravens Whining Out of Hand - post-game comments - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

TIMEsteelersfan · 12-04-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spirit of '76

I disagree with your statement. There have been plenty of teams throughout sports history that DID play well enough to win only to have victory 'jerked' from them based on a bad call or non-call.

Your statement is overly simplistic and doesn't sound like it came from someone who has 'left it all out on the field' only to be short-changed by officiating. Unfortunately, it's a human element that we have to deal with.

There is nothing more frustrating in sports as playing well enough to beat your opponent, only to be beaten by the officials.

How does one constructively complain about bad calls without looking like a sore loser????? And we all know the winners will never complain about a bad call that gave them a victory (something Colts fans have grown used to).

If you don't complain, then you are only tolerating poor officiating.

I don't buy it. Blaming the refs is an excuse, nothing more, nothing less. There's what, 130 - 150 plays in a typical football game? If one or two penalties break you, well, then you didn't play well enough to win. The refs can have an effect the outcome, but they're never the reason you won or lost.

DW Toys · 12-04-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by upstater1

What about the holding call on Koppen that killed the Patriots' drive? The ref threw the flag late after a Raven asked for it. Amazing.

The real problem with replay and the Gaffney catch is that the language isn't precise enough to define what control means. What they need is another Tuck Rule, language that's so precise that it takes away from the ref trying to make a judgement call.

The ball was moving, and it wasn't totally secure, but Gaffney had both sets of fingers on it as he was moving it toward his body. I call that control. He was controlling the ball. But the ball was still moving.

Cousin,
I agree. He had contact with his finger tips on the ball the whole time. If there was any space whatsoever between the ball and his finger tips the ref would have had to rule a no catch. His tips kept in contact the whole time as he was in the process of moving the location of the ball to under his arm.....but it was not bouncing or moving away from the tips which was key.
Really no different than a side line finger tip catch as long as there is no visible space. He could spin it over his head as long as the contact remained.

In all honesty, all Pats fans would have had arched eyebrows if it was against us as there have been so many in the past. But in retrospect, we would have had first and goal, half the distance anyway with the flags on the field on that play. It might have had no bearing on a final TD if it was inc. With a time out and 44 seconds the Pats could have run once and the Ravens were definitely in pass coverage and got maybe three more plays total.

Brady's main beef was on the pick with less than a minute to go before half time, as Welker was mugged and the tip was intercepted. It should have been on the Ravens 40 yard line first down. The Ravens got way with that one and Faulk saved the day. That was the one the got Brady hot.

No way these muggings happen to the Colts WR without laundry flying. Pollian would have Goodell on the carpet. I say fine, let them play, but you better not throw a flag when we pop Harrison or Wayne.

The Pats (listen Josh!) need to have Moss run some crossing stuff underneath and that two deep safety will have to come up. That "blueprint" stops.
DW Toys

glutton79 · 12-04-2007, 12:12 PM

did anyone else hear (and I don't remember exactly when this happened) the announcers saying there was a holding call, and then saying the ravens player had gotten up and told the ref he was held, and a flag was thrown?

oh, so that's how it works. you tell the ref you were held, he throws the flag, done and done.