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Old 11-28-2007, 11:06 PM   #11
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For fairness/completeness, the 2nd & 7th for Welker are a must. They traded a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th right out of the draft. Some kind of record?

It's worth remembering that we saw this coming beforehand. Here's something I posted after the draft that's still a useful reality check:

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didnt we also lose the 5th round pick cuz of doug gabriel? which means we only kept our 6th round pick...

btw, wut did we do with the 3rd one? i dont remember
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:18 PM   #12
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There's a lot left to be determined, but the whole discussion reminds me of that Jimmy Johnson comment on draft picks. Can't find the exact quote, but the gist is that draft picks are capital that you can spend in a variety of ways: draft a player, trade up, down or into the future, or trade for veterans. Regardless of approach, it's about making good use of the available capital. Welker, Moss and the highest pick the Patriots have had in the BB era adds up to a nice investment portfolio--despite taking a beating on the day-2 "junk bonds."
Capital is a good way of defining how a team can fill its needs despite the fact the draft doesn't always provide the college players that match those needs. Welker, Moss and the remainder of the collegiate draft class made the Pats into the team they are today. Good info and well stated.
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didnt we also lose the 5th round pick cuz of doug gabriel? which means we only kept our 6th round pick...

btw, wut did we do with the 3rd one? i dont remember
Traded for Oaklands third this year (and another trash pick, I guess)
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There's a lot left to be determined, but the whole discussion reminds me of that Jimmy Johnson comment on draft picks. Can't find the exact quote, but the gist is that draft picks are capital that you can spend in a variety of ways: draft a player, trade up, down or into the future, or trade for veterans. Regardless of approach, it's about making good use of the available capital. Welker, Moss and the highest pick the Patriots have had in the BB era adds up to a nice investment portfolio--despite taking a beating on the day-2 "junk bonds."
Nicely done, it seems that for the Pats the draft is sometimes a necessary side show that may help, but there is more than one way reload.
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Well, Kareem Brown just got picked up by the Jets...He was drafted in '07 right?
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The fact that Kareem Brown was claimed off waivers by THREE teams (Jets, Ravens, Niners) is a pretty good indication that he wasn't a bad pick... there's simply no roster space for all the talent we have on the team.

I thought the same for Justin Rogers and Garrett Mills and Corey Mays... these are players that looked promising for us over the long haul, but BB was forced to offer them up to other teams and Dallas, Minnesota and Cinci (respectively) did so. Those guys are all playing in the NFL.

So, it's not poor talent evaluation. It's just that the roster turnover has not been there.

What the Pats did in 2007, basically trading out of the draft, is precisely what they need to do more of. Instead of wasting the pick on a good player who's eventually going to play for the Jets or Cowboys, let some other team draft him, and bundle the pick for future considerations so when the next Lawrence Taylor DOES come into the draft, the Pats are positioned to take him.

It's a concern, because we're losing our young blood. BB/SP can backfill with players like Thomas, Welker and Stallworth, and that's great... but it's not sustainable over the long haul. Eventually, you'll need those rookie contracts on the roster to fit against the cap.
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despite taking a beating on the day-2 "junk bonds."
Day-2 "junk bonds" huh?

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The fact that Kareem Brown was claimed off waivers by THREE teams (Jets, Ravens, Niners) is a pretty good indication that he wasn't a bad pick... there's simply no roster space for all the talent we have on the team.
It's also a nice sign for 2006 pick Le Kevin Smith.
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Day-2 "junk bonds" huh?

2000 Tom Brady 6th Round
2002 Jarvis Green 4th Round
2002 David Givens 7th Round
2003 Asante Samuel 4th Round
2003 Dan Koppen 5th Round
2005 James Sanders 4th Round
Yep, 6 starting-caliber players in 8 years! Given an average of 5 day-2 picks a year (including comp picks) that yields less than a 1-in-6 chance of hitting on each day-2 pick. Now add in the strongest, deepest roster in the league and an unusually weak draft, and you're in very low odds territory.

I do respect the value of late round picks (and I still hold out a lot of hope for Mike Richardson!) but a low yield in this situation isn't a surprise.
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Now add in the strongest, deepest roster in the league and an unusually weak draft, and you're in very low odds territory.
Deepest roster? I beg to differ since the New England Patriots are extremely thin at cornerback and linebacker while now down to six defensive lineman on the 53 man roster.

As for Chad Brown, he's a complete joke.
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