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Old 09-14-2007, 07:07 PM   #11
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Here is what Goodell said:




He said BB is guilty of avoiding the rule. Apparently he had a loophole and Goodell wouldn't allow BB to just abide by the letter of the law. It's his decision driven by the firestorm in the media.

Only thing for the Pats to do now is win the SB.
and what is the loop hole?

and if there was a loophole why not stand by your position- and make a
public statement such as "rule 3,.3.3 states that cameras may be ......and
that is what we did"

why does does a head coach of a team with 3 rings bring his owner, team
and fans down with him by acting like someone who has cheated and not taking a stronger position to himeself
and the owners?

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Old 09-14-2007, 07:15 PM   #12
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and what is the loop hole?

and if there was a loophole why not stand by your position- and make a
public statement such as "rule 3,.3.3 states that cameras may be ......and
that is what we did"

why does does a head coach of a team with 3 rings bring his owner, team
and fans down with him by acting like someone who has cheated and not taking a stronger position to himeself
and the owners?

Why should BB get into ti with Goodell given the *****storm in the media?

Why didn't Goodell say they broke the rule and cheated rather than parsing?


BB didn't said he felt what he did was legal, Goodell ruled other wise and he accepted that and is moving on.
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Not that it matters now, because it's over and done, but i believe him.
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Why should BB get into ti with Goodell given the *****storm in the media?

Why didn't Goodell say they broke the rule and cheated rather than parsing?


BB didn't said he felt what he did was legal, Goodell ruled other wise and he accepted that and is moving on.
well because it is a big deal
its one thing if a player does something wrong but a coach should
be setting the standard for the team, the last person you want to be labeled
a "cheater" is the coach.

if he could show it was a honest mistake that anyone could have made,
why come down on him with a $500,000 fine?
I get the feeling his defense argument may have been pretty weak.

it would be interesting to know what it was?

anyone know?

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well because it is a big deal
its one thing if a player does something wrong but a coach should
be setting the standard for the team, the last person you want to be labeled
a "cheater" is the coach.

if he could show it was a honest mistake that anyone could have made,
why come down on him with a $500,000 fine?
I get the feeling his defense argument may have been pretty weak.

it would be interesting to know what it was?

anyone know?
It wasn't a mistake, BB read the rulebook and felt their taping procedure was within the letter of the law. Mangini took a shot, leaked it to the media to deflect attention from the miserable performance of his team. The media who hates BB because he doesn't kiss up to them had an opportunity fior payback. So it is what it is. Now the Pats can shut up the rest of the league by winning the SB IMO they will.
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Goodell is a lawyer and a smart man.

You can't tie the word cheat to a team that just won 3 superbowls and will be competing for one again. Avoid can be construed as breaking. Breaking the rules in a competition is cheating.

His lawyered up statement ends the issue. And good riddance, now we can get back to football.
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If you read the rules there is no rule, nor even any rule close, to outlawing "stealing sign".

Indeed the Patriots complained about a technique the Dolphins under Saban were doing. They put microphones and communicated the audibles that Brady was calling at the line of scrimmage last year, to their coaches via radio or recording devices, presumably for analysis.

The commissioner officially said there was no problem doing so. So "sign stealing" is not forbidden in football any more than in MLB, where it is a hallowed art.

Nor is it even with a technical violation in that only QBs are allowed to have radio equipment and the "miked" defensive players, like Jason Taylor obviously had a broadcast radio, (but unknown if it had a receive capability as that would have violated the coach to player communication
rule.)

There is a prohibition on taping/filming except in certain designated areas. but that prohibition is qualified by the statement for use "in the game".

That prohibition in NOT in the rulebook. It is in a companion document that describes other things necessary to provide for playing a game, like proper police security, need for badges, to access the field; areas assigned for various sideline camera men to use, et cetera. Uniforms to be worn by various new media, yada, yada, yada.

No prohibition on taping /filming from anywhere then, if the information taped, is not analyzed or used "in the game", as the rule does indeed qualify, its prohibition on taping/filming. Then there is NO DIFFERENCE from what the Dolphins were cleared by the commissioner's office last off season. At most a technical violation, but likely less severe since the prohibition is not in the rulebook, unlike the radio prohibition which is in the rule book, at most.

There was no provision to do that analysis "in the game" use either; as the Commissioner conceded, in his press statement. There was no real-time instant communication link in the system, to communicate with a knowledgeable coach. The camera man is not a coach, never played football in either the NFL or a major college system. He is by background unsuitable to analyze any signs. His background is as a pure video technician, (probably on purpose).

The tape info would have to be broken down and analyzed by a knowledgeable football professional post game, and so even more evidence it could not be used except maybe somehow if analyzed at half time. It was probably meant as a companion to the analysis of game film, post game, which is obviously allowed and the NFL itself arranges the trades of Coaches tape between teams each week.

Now Belichick did not try to hide what he was doing. The camera man did not not slink around in an disguise, donning a network or local TV cameraman identification. He did have Identification, and a proper field pass identifying him. The Patriots thought they what they were doing was either completely alright, or at most subject to "interpretation".

If there is anything that Belichick did wrong, is to read the rule carefully; and see what it says, rather than what it meant to say, but didn't actually say.

Too smart by half, for an intimidated Commissioner, in awe of the wrath of NYC media in a feeding frenzy.


If Bob Kraft were Al Davis he would go to court and he would win. The Law is what the Law says, not what it meant to say. But I don't think he will, as that would undermine Commissioner Goodell. But I wouldn't invest in Mangini's career, though...
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Belichick said he had "misinterpreted NFL rules"

is this true or did he know all along what he was doing??

I think he was using the information the way he says he was, but he knew there was a rule against the camera and that he would be breaking that rule. I think he figured he could use some smoke and create a gray area in the rule, forgetting, Goodell was a lawyer, hence the memo, hence the smack upside the head !
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My understanding is this. He thought if he filmed the signals but did not use that video or have access to it during the game then it was fine, that it was not different then a coaches tape. If you parsed the rules you could kinda assume that, but the clarification supposedly sent out later was suppose to point out no video taping at all except for the designated areas.
This is exactly what I think, too.

Another angle could be that BB realized many teams have video crews out there (for other reasons, filming other legitimate things) and reasoned, "How the heck can you allow video crews out there, but just not for taping coaches? How the heck do you, the NFL, know what those crews are filming? As long as you allow all these video crews out there, you cannot hope to enforce your no-filming-coaches rule. Therefore, I will film coaches with my video crew." Then Goodell said, "Yeah, whatever, I'm still gonna kick you in the gut." I think that this theory addresses the confusion about why BB would film so openly.
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The rules says you can't tape stuff if it "might" help you in the game.

What does "might" mean ? Does it mean it has the potential to if you choose to use it ? If so Goodell is correct. But by this defiinition someone could say "BelichickFan might kill himself". Well, sure, by the strict definition of "might", I might. But there's no chance in hell I will so the statement is actually false.

Therein likes the interpretation issue.
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