TomBrady'sGoat

wow, a 'Skins fan. Don't you know I come here to get away from you guys?

Something that often gets forgotten with the Redskins is that they took a playoff team and switched offenses and defenses. You can't really blame the players for that (though I'll gladly blame Gibbs and Snyder).

For you guys who don't live in the DC area there was nothing funnier than being fed on a daily basis the "we're not showing anything in the preseason, trust us when we say we'll be fine once the regular season starts" and "we're only showing 3% of a 700 play playbook." After every ugly preseason demolishing (the Patriots delivering the most embarassing one) Redskins fans would keep going on about this mystical 700 page playbook (my favorite take on it was from John Thompson, who took a break from basketball to chime in "you're better off running 5 plays the guys can execute than 700 plays they can't") and talking in awe of the all-star coaching staff. And Gibbs interviews where he acknowledged that the team was tanking the preseason yet assured they'd be able to turn on the switch were priceless.

DGreen28, you seem to be a good guy and have your head screwed on straight when it comes to the Skins. nothing personal at you but I will continue to enjoy the failure of the Redskins. I will admit though that the Patriots could only dream of having such a nutty fan base.

sebman2112

Stallworth is nothing close to a cancer. Both the Eagles, and the Saints have said he was a good lockerroom guy.

sebman2112

That is a total misconception. in 2003, and 2004 NE brought in some of the higher level free agents on the market, and from 2002-2004 they made a ton of trades. Basically, you're talking out of your ass.

DGreen28

We didn't switch defenses, Gregg Williams just seemed to go temporarily insane this season. Granted, we have been slowly getting worse on D since 2004... lots of injuries and aging players without an influx of fresh talent.

Not showing anything during the preseason was a huge mistake. However, I gotta say that it wasn't the playbook that was the problem. Our offensive line was half-assing for much of the season and Brunell just COULDN'T throw more than 15 yards in the games he started. After the season's midpoint we started to look better, but who really knows what that was (there is that whole "Gibbs took back control" theory). You should probably brush up on your history, though... the preseason usually doesn't indicate much of anything and some of the Skins' best seasons as a franchise have come after miserable preseasons.

Trust me, I enjoy it when you guys choke just as much as you do when the Skins choke. I think that without striking gold with your 6th round selection of Brady no one would be applauding Belichick like they do right now and there is no way in hell you'd have won those Super Bowls. I also chuckle at the concept that its the system employed by your coaches thats behind the magic... when its more or less just some very good talent scouts and a pretty obvious (as opposed to inventive) philosophy when it comes to money, re-signings, free agency, and the draft.

I won't disagree that there are a large number of Redskins fans who are over-the-top nuts or incredible blind homers... but hey, there are a lot more Redskins fans in general out there than there are fans of many other teams. Don't forget that you have your fair share of loons as well.

zippo59

The Patriots have made big player acquisitions before each of their Superbowls, a-hole.

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Maroney TD

Brady in the 6th was pretty good. The highest they ever drafted was 6th and they grabbed Seymour so at least they don't mess up top picks like many franchises. The Pats also drafted Givens in the 7th round. Banta-Cain (who just signed with the 49ers) was a 7th round pick as well. Asante Samuel (one of the best CB in football) was a 4th round pick.

The biggest thing for the Pats is that they haven't had a bust from the 1st round. Not many teams can say that.

Granted the Redskins usually trade away all their draft picks so they don't have many 1st rounders to use. In 2006 the Skins had exactly 1 pick in the first 4 rounds. Hard to mess up when you don't draft.

TomBrady'sGoat

DGreen28:

I was just saying that all you heard about on DC sports talk leading up to this season was the 700 page playbook. I'm not saying the playcalling was a negative but the thing was held up to mythical status. "Look upon the 700 page playbook and stand in awe!"

I am fully aware that the Redskins won like 1 game in the '87 and '91 preseasons. I agree that preseason records mean nothing. The Redskins were looking absolutely horrific this preseason, unable to do anything and people would fall back on the fact that preseason records mean nothing. Their preseason record wasn't the issue, it was the performance.

I never understood them starting Brunell as long as they did. They had a QB who couldn't get it done and stuck with him because they didn't know what else to do. At least you guys have hope with Campbell.

Sometimes it bothers me that NE players can be afterthoughts in light of their coaching, but I really believe the coaching is just that good and that important. A nobody can step on the field and perform in NE and we aren't really surprised, which speaks to preparation and schemes (two stables of this coaching staff).

As for Brady, a lot of his success is due to the fact that the coaches never labeled him as just a 6th round pick and a back-up. After 1 year Belichick already knew he was a better QB than Bledsoe. They prepared him for the job so he was ready when Drew got hurt and didn't give the job back to Bledsoe when Brady took it away. They would not have won the title in '01 if Bledsoe didn't get hurt but Drew would likely have been gone in '02. Also, NE saw in Brady what they were looking for in a QB. Are they lucky no one else saw it? Yes. Are they lucky he turned out to be great? I'll give the credit to Brady and the Patriots on that one, not luck.

And when it comes to the obvious philosophy NE takes to the cap/signings/etc. you might want to consider that the philosophy isn't as important as the restraint. everyone can see that responsible spending is better than irresponsible, yet they still fall into the trap of being "one player away" or convince themselves that they need to keep a player at any cost. It's the willingness to walk away when the deal is not to their liking which seperates NE from many teams.

Fogbuster

The Pats could digest that other "cancer", Corey Dillon, so what's the prob with Moss? He would still have to go through a complete check-out before he got signed; if he puked he'd be given the door. No big deal. Otoh, if he steps up, the Colts are in for some serious ***** next year. As if they weren't already.




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Lloyd_Christmas

I live in Virginia and am surrounded by Redskin fans... I can assure you that we are NOT the Redskins.

Snyder has a history of overpaying for FA that aren't worth it... David Patten, Adam Archuletta, DJ Tuckett (not sure of his contract, but the trade compensation was too high), Mark Brunell... I'm too lazy to even turn and ask my coworkers for more examples... believe me, there are plenty of them.

We only pay high for sure things and usually settle for second tier players for low/fair prices. Some of those guys turn out to be very solid players and some blow chunks.

With the redskins, they end up wasting money on overpriced players that are mediocre at best.

PatsSteve1

* One SB after years of not winning it like they were supposed to and now your a footbal genius -