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Old 03-04-2007, 07:46 PM   #1
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Default Possible motive behind the aggressive FA grabs?

Something seems a bit weird as to all of a sudden BB and FO go haywire in FA - Maybe its not just the fact we have decent cap room but also a possibility that BB and the FO know we have a team with key players getting older and we need some more veteran blood that may not be too young,but not old either and can fill holes when the olders guys call it quits with most likely retiring within 2 years from now (Brown,Bruschi,Vrabel,Harrison,Izzo ect)...

or maybe...

BB and the FO looked at this years draft as being lame with outside of the top few round one guys (that we were not going to obtain anyway),.and did not see any future long term prospects,maybe they thought most draft picks outside of #1 thru #10 would be a stab in the dark and no real all-pro to predict and instead went to FA to get some players who already were well known pro players instead of drafting some potential rookie players who could turn out to be busts and ruin the near future years of winning traditions in New England,Maybe they see a better draft next year in 2008 and will do less FA shopping in 2008 and takes advantage of the cap $$ this year as well ..Thats a possibility too IMO

Its hard to say but maybe some failures (so far guys like Chad Jackson and Marquise Hill) in the draft in the past several years made them think twice about hoping rookies can come in and instantly improve the team,Possibly not taking any chances of failing to stock the team with talented players,Although guys like CJ need another chance to redeem themselves within another year or two....

This team is always looking ahead to continuous winning seasons and this may just be the reasoning for spending the big bucks,not just because we have more cap room but questions of pro-type talent in this years draft.

In reality outside of Calvin Johnson there really is no sure fire all pro-type
player out there IMO all picks below Calvin will be up in the air as to assuming they will be great in the pros...I think theres little doubt Calvin will be great but all others are in question IMO right now.

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Old 03-04-2007, 07:50 PM   #2
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I think the biggest factor was the speed and number of signings last year left them with nothing for their wait out the bargain approach. so with plenty of money they came out and hit a first pitch fastball just like Johny Ayers.
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I think it actually may be much simpler than that. I just think that the FO has evaluated the players acquired so far as being uniquely suited for this team (talent, position flexibility, team needs, chemistry, leadership, experience, etc.). If that is the case and you have the means, why wait?

I actually disagree about the draft (though respect your opinion since it seems well thought out). From a physical talent perspective, this group is impressive. Just like it is every year, the trick is finding the individuals that can turn talent into production. That is why I've always like the "football is important to them" criteria this FO values so highly. Doesn't guarantee success, but seems to minimize failures.
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I think the biggest factor was the speed and number of signings last year left them with nothing for their wait out the bargain approach. so with plenty of money they came out and hit a first pitch fastball just like Johny Ayers.
I would agree with this. I think they learned a lot last year with the changing market values and made an effort this year to be in front of the curve. The players they wanted, they signed and the players they didn't were left to the market. They seem much more decisive this year. They definitely have this planned out!

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I think it actually may be much simpler than that. I just think that the FO has evaluated the players acquired so far as being uniquely suited for this team (talent, position flexibility, team needs, chemistry, leadership, experience, etc.). If that is the case and you have the means, why wait?

I actually disagree about the draft (though respect your opinion since it seems well thought out). From a physical talent perspective, this group is impressive. Just like it is every year, the trick is finding the individuals that can turn talent into production. That is why I've always like the "football is important to them" criteria this FO values so highly. Doesn't guarantee success, but seems to minimize failures.
True there may be talent in the draft but maybe BB and the FO see no real guaranteed Patriots type player well suited in this Defense or Offense...I don't know but I am glad they are making some decisions to improve this team.

Of course no big name signings guarantee anything - If this team does not have all 52 players and coaches on the same page and plays are not made as expected and drawn out in practice then we will not be any better...Ask the Redskins that,If you go by big name players getting you to the Super Bowl just by reputation alone then Washington would have won about 6 Super Bowls in the last decade.
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I think it actually may be much simpler than that. I just think that the FO has evaluated the players acquired so far as being uniquely suited for this team (talent, position flexibility, team needs, chemistry, leadership, experience, etc.). If that is the case and you have the means, why wait?

I actually disagree about the draft (though respect your opinion since it seems well thought out). From a physical talent perspective, this group is impressive. Just like it is every year, the trick is finding the individuals that can turn talent into production. That is why I've always like the "football is important to them" criteria this FO values so highly. Doesn't guarantee success, but seems to minimize failures.
Excellent point that shouldn't get lost in the clutter, the Patriots look for guy for whom "football is important to them." Assuming they end up getting Welker, it looks to me that, along with Thomas and Morris, that's three guys who fit the description "football is important to them." Kyle Brady I'm not sure of, he seems to have wanted his payday for sure, and maybe BB and SP didn't see another blocking TE available in FA or the draft, but Welker, Morris and Thomas really seem to care about football, Thomas came to N.E. first and like Colvin, he signed because he liked what the Pats offered, even if more money could be made elsewhere.

In that regard we need to ask,"Is football important to Randy Moss or Donte Stallworth"? before we conclude wheteher the Pats will pursue them.
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Remember, last year the new CBA delayed the start of free agency. Unlike some teams, the Pats managed their cap so they would NOT have to blow up their team if a new CBA was not signed. This delayed the ability to get the Seymore deal done and getting the Seymour deal done took precedence over any other possible move.

By the time the CBA was agreed to, free agency was essentially over.

Remember also that Branch and his rookie agent screwed the Pats by saying that they wanted to do a long-term deal. When the Pats tried to start negotiations on a long-term deal, Branch and his rookie agent changed their minds: they refused to even talk to the Pats about a counter-offer and promised to hold out for virtually the entire season. This bad-faith negotiating tactic on the part of Branch and his rookie agent did not take place until well after free agency was over.

It was just a eff'd up free agency season for teams that were concerned about the threat of an un-capped season. Other teams (Redskins and Colts) got their bacon pulled out of the fire by the new CBA. They were dead without it.

The reason so many teams have cap money this year is that they got under the no-new-CBA cap and by the time the new CBA was done, there really wasn't much left to spend the newfound money on. Just because a team had the money to sign a big-dollar free agent doesn't mean they are going to do it if all the remaining big-dollar free agents are turds and stiffs.
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It seems that their are more players in FA this yr. that fit the mold of this team. Some yrs. you will have those players out there and some yrs. you wont. Why sign guys that wont fit your system just so you can say you signed a FA? I personally am not reading much into it. It's just the Pats FO doing what they do best, and thats fielding a competetive team each and every yr. I don't think (as much as others believe) that they have an exact recipe on how to do it. They just get the **** done!
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I think there are a couple things to consider here:

- There happened to be players available this off-season that fit the Patrtiots perfectly. There was no A.D. last year, no guy that absolutely, without question, would fit right in with what this team is trying to do. Same goes for Wes Welker on offense.

- The Patriots were quite uncharacteristically behind the curve last year after the new CBA changed everything. They figured out their mistakes real fast though, and are now back in the game with a vegeance.

- I know the philosophy of the front office is to always have a competitive team, but there is no denying that the Patriots have a certain window here, with Tom Brady in his prime and that amazing defensive line all in their youth. The Pats needed to add a few more parts to complete the team and take advantage of the opporutnity to win a few more Superbowls within the next 3-4 years.
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Something seems a bit weird as to all of a sudden BB and FO go haywire in FA - Maybe its not just the fact we have decent cap room but also a possibility that BB and the FO know we have a team with key players getting older and we need some more veteran blood that may not be too young,but not old either and can fill holes when the olders guys call it quits with most likely retiring within 2 years from now (Brown,Bruschi,Vrabel,Harrison,Izzo ect)...

or maybe...

BB and the FO looked at this years draft as being lame with outside of the top few round one guys (that we were not going to obtain anyway),.and did not see any future long term prospects,maybe they thought most draft picks outside of #1 thru #10 would be a stab in the dark and no real all-pro to predict and instead went to FA to get some players who already were well known pro players instead of drafting some potential rookie players who could turn out to be busts and ruin the near future years of winning traditions in New England,Maybe they see a better draft next year in 2008 and will do less FA shopping in 2008 and takes advantage of the cap $$ this year as well ..Thats a possibility too IMO

Its hard to say but maybe some failures (so far guys like Chad Jackson and Marquise Hill) in the draft in the past several years made them think twice about hoping rookies can come in and instantly improve the team,Possibly not taking any chances of failing to stock the team with talented players,Although guys like CJ need another chance to redeem themselves within another year or two....

This team is always looking ahead to continuous winning seasons and this may just be the reasoning for spending the big bucks,not just because we have more cap room but questions of pro-type talent in this years draft.

In reality outside of Calvin Johnson there really is no sure fire all pro-type
player out there IMO all picks below Calvin will be up in the air as to assuming they will be great in the pros...I think theres little doubt Calvin will be great but all others are in question IMO right now.
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I agree with you on some of what you say. Here is my take. The last few years the Pats have waited for "the cream of the crap" and took the left-overs which wasn't too bad in years past, or at least we did well with what we got for the most part. But with the extra cap space this year almost everyone has an interest in a player or two.

In the past, those players still left standing while the Pats got around to inviting a few into Foxboro a month or two later, perhaps might have been better "left-overs" back then. For all the new-found money out there, maybe the talent is slim. Perhaps the Godfather and SP might have seen 2007 as a "grab-and-git" FA group. I also think Mr. Kraft is doing a little PR repair with the players lost especially last year. He guaranteed the Pats were going to be more responsive in this years FA crop. We all had the attitude. "Yeh, Right Bob".....Surprise!

Now I have a proposal to run by you Cousins out there. Would you consider giving our pair of first round picks to Romeo for the #3 pick in the first round and grab Calvin J before Tampa? He is by far the best "draftee" out there of any draft choice and predicted sure fire future All-Pro by all the "experts". It's still a gamble but it appears this kid is the real deal. I am not saying the Browns would do it and the draft "values" don't exactly match, but the signing of just the third player in the first round by the Browns does not get them healthy. They need more than just one "first rounder" to help them out faster and save Romeos' butt.

Now, that being accomplished we use out third and either fourth choices (or supplemental third or fourth which shall be granted no question) to still be able to pick up a good young ILB or CB or Safety to round out the draft. Maybe a Siler or DeOssie at ILB, a McCauley or Eric Wright at CB, or an Eric Weddle or Sabby Piscatelli at Safety.

Cousins, Calvin J plus two or three of these above make this an off season for the Pats of huge positive proportions. In all honesty, Calvin J could cost us less than two # ones CAP wise in the end too.

O.K. Poke holes in this one and see whatcha got!
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