Reiss on BB future - New England Patriots Forums

Hoodie · 01-19-2007, 12:26 PM

From his chat:

"I've had the chance to get to know Belichick a little better this year, and I think one of the things that can get overlooked in this discussion is what makes him tick as a football coach. I don't think he values a new challenge -- and building a winner elsewhere -- as much as he likes the idea of sustained excellence in one place, over a long period of time. I could be way off on this, but that's my read on the man. I think he's here for the long-term, understanding that he two key elements in place -- a Hall of Fame quarterback and an owner who gives him a lot of leeway. Things can change fast in this business, but right now, I don't see the end in sight."

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***BelichickFan*** · 01-19-2007, 12:32 PM

Knock on wood, baby, knock on wood.

***PatsRI*** · 01-19-2007, 12:35 PM

You mean he's not leaving like Borges and Felger say? I'm shocked.

5 Rings for Brady!! · 01-19-2007, 12:43 PM

I think it is much ado about nothing.

The only way Belichick leaves under ordinary circumstances is if his performance starts to deteriorate, in which case he gets fired, OR he and Kraft have a falling out over personal differences.

The performance has been fine to date, and should be okay for the near future.

Kraft could always get annoying if he wants Belichick to change his ways, i.e. dress better, give better press conferences, re-sign star players, not hit cameramen, stay out of messy divorces. In other words, if Kraft wants a more 'appealing' coach in the public eye (media glare), then that could create tension. But so far this stuff hasn't been an issue, as far as we can tell. And hopefully it won't be. I don't think Belichick needs to change anything. Just let the media get over it!

I don't think any of those scenarios will happen anytime soon, and I think all the speculation is made up by the media.

This has never been a newsworthy story in my mind, and I bet Bill is already signed thru 2010 at $5 million a year.

oldskool138 · 01-19-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsRI

You mean he's not leaving like Borges and Felger say? I'm shocked.

Much to their chagrin, I'm sure.

***Patters*** · 01-19-2007, 12:57 PM

That's certainly the best news of the day; though Rodney's possible recovery takes a close second.

PatsFanSince74 · 01-19-2007, 01:08 PM

I'm really happy to read what Reiss had to say. That's been my impression of BB, gained from his comments during interviews and especially from reading David Halberstam's wonderful book, The Education of a Coach, which I regularly give as a gift to non-football people as well as Patriots fans.

However, I do think we're all naive if we don't acknowledge that money will have something to do with this. Belichick certainly isn't poor, but he has kids and what might fairly be called a complex personal life, at least as reported in the media. And, I don't think we can overlook that, whatever his concern about the verdict of Sports historians down the road, he is certainly someone who is attuned to how he is "valued" today in comparison to his (far less successful) peers.

Information on coaches' salaries isn't always reliable, but Forbes Magazine in December published its estimates (please don't get on my case if you think they're wrong, i'm just putting this out for discussion and Forbes is a reputable source.) If you know something else, just share it with us.

IF these numbers are correct then maybe there is an "issue" here. It's interesting to me that the rumors about BB's "unhappiness" flamed in December, right around when the article was published.

The magazine looks at the average annual salary a coach has earned over his time with a team. Here are the top ten:

Dungy: $3.6MM average (now $5MM)
John Fox: $3.4MM average (now $5MM)
Shanahan: $3.4MM
BB: $2.8MM average
Marty: $2.7MM average
Cowher: $2MM average ($4MM at time of resignation)
Lewis: $1.9MM average
Sean Payton: $1.8MM
Mora: $1.5MM average
Smith: $1.4MM average.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 01-19-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 5 Rings for Brady!!

This has never been a newsworthy story in my mind, and I bet Bill is already signed thru 2010 at $5 million a year.

FWIW Borges said in one of his chats this week that BB is signed through 2007 "with a team option". And Ron does have his sources in the agent community. As for the $5M I think you might be underestimating that just a little. I'm sure he's not hauling in silly money like Holmgren ($8.5M), at least not as a base. Saban was signed for $5M 2 years ago. And supposedly Cowher will command upwards of $9M when he re-enters the fray. BB is probably in the $6M+ incentives category, and he likely cleans up in incentives. Wouldn't be surprised if Pioli's deal is sweetened with post season incentives too.

kptmorgan04 · 01-19-2007, 01:09 PM

I think that the telling thing to me has always been (this year especially) that he hasnt just gone out and done things for the short term future of the team (ie, adam and the twig) but for the long term. if he wasnt planning on being here long term he wouldnt care as much

PromisedLand · 01-19-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanSince74

I'm really happy to read what Reiss had to say. That's been my impression of BB, gained from his comments during interviews and especially from reading David Halberstam's wonderful book, The Education of a Coach, which I regularly give as a gift to non-football people as well as Patriots fans.

However, I do think we're all naive if we don't acknowledge that money will have something to do with this. Belichick certainly isn't poor, but he has kids and what might fairly be called a complex personal life, at least as reported in the media. And, I don't think we can overlook that, whatever his concern about the verdict of Sports historians down the road, he is certainly someone who is attuned to how he is "valued" today in comparison to his (far less successful) peers.

Information on coaches' salaries isn't always reliable, but Forbes Magazine in December published its estimates (please don't get on my case if you think they're wrong, i'm just putting this out for discussion and Forbes is a reputable source.) If you know something else, just share it with us.

IF these numbers are correct then maybe there is an "issue" here. It's interesting to me that the rumors about BB's "unhappiness" flamed in December, right around when the article was published.

The magazine looks at the average annual salary a coach has earned over his time with a team. Here are the top ten:

Dungy: $3.6MM average (now $5MM)
John Fox: $3.4MM average (now $5MM)
Shanahan: $3.4MM
BB: $2.8MM average
Marty: $2.7MM average
Cowher: $2MM average ($4MM at time of resignation)
Lewis: $1.9MM average
Sean Payton: $1.8MM
Mora: $1.5MM average
Smith: $1.4MM average.

Forbes may be reputable (I used to subscribe), but they don't have magic access to this information - they probably have to compile it from published reports, etc., much like Miguel does for player salaries. Also, it doesn't make sense to compare average over time with a team - it only makes sense to compare current and contracted future pay. I am sure that RK is not going to allow BB to be unhappy about his salary as long as the team continues to win. RK is not stupid.