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Old 12-17-2006, 03:18 PM   #1
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I know some will start pointing out numbers and stats and such....but I look at more then that....I think it's important to look at situational performance.
This offense gets shut down this year by any decent defense. They can look awful against good defenses.The Patriots in the past couldrely on there offense to put up points in most cases against good teams.

Now what hurts the most is that we struggle against bad defenses also.Today was another example.

1) The Texans aren't good and yet we had awesome field position all day and came away with way to many field goals. Against Playoff teams who have an offense this won't be a recipe to advance.

2) Today the score looks great , but if you look at the numbers it is clear to see we didn't have a great offensive day. Pass Yards, Rush Yards etc.....

3) I mean I truly can't understand why we will throw other Rookies the ball 7 or 8 times a game but CJ gets his typical 1 ball thrown his way a game. I don't care what anyone says CJ can be know worse then our #2 WR right now, so at least get the ball in the guys hands more then once a game and evaluate what he can do, see if we can build confidence and get him in better sync with Brady. I mean Gaffney( A veteran WR) dropped an easy TD pass today........

4) And last but not least I hope Maroney will be 100% by the playoffs. Even then though teams like SD will be able to probably score 14 pts against us, but I don't think right now this team could score 14 points against a good defense like that.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:37 PM   #2
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I know some will start pointing out numbers and stats and such....but I look at more then that....I think it's important to look at situational performance.
This offense gets shut down this year by any decent defense. They can look awful against good defenses.The Patriots in the past couldrely on there offense to put up points in most cases against good teams.
Good defenses neutralize great offenses, that's what happens in any sport, and that's why defense is always the most important thing. The best of offenses are going to struggle against top tier defenses. I think we have a very good offense, but if we are playing a very good defense, of course it may not look great on that given week.

I do agree with you about Jackson, I don't know why they can't just throw a ball his way and see what he does with it. Nonetheless, I personally think the receiving corps is just fine, I think Reche is great, Gaffney is going to continue to get more involved and Kelvin Kight looks like he has some potential.

But still, I do wish they'd make a concerted effort into incorporating Jackson into the game. He was only in on run packages. I think he played on 3 passing plays, two of which were screens. I don't understand why with a 30 point lead you don't let Reche or Troy rest and work on getting Jackson in sync with Brady - the game's the quickest way to do this, it's more effective than learning in practice.
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I'm torn - it would have been nice to see Brady and the receivers stretch the field more against a team like the Texans... instead we got a lot of dink and dunk football... but then again, the situational footbal tactics didn't call for much more than that today, in large part, thanks to great field position.

And when you build a lead like the Pats had, high risk/reward deep passes don't make a whole lot of sense.

But still, take out Faulk's 43 yard catch/run and you are looking at some statistics that aren't exactly going to scare DC's into keeping their safeties back in coverage... they might as well put them right on the line of scrimmage, giving the OL a real tough day.

Dave Thomas wound up being our most consistent "deep" threat of the day with an 8 yard per catch average on 3 passes. All other recievers chipped in with 3 and 4 yard passes.

Again, I recognize that the situational ball didn't call for a lot of risks today - but against a good D they absolutley MUST stretch the field to keep pressure off Brady and the short/mid yardage receivers. Today's "scrimmage" might have been a good time to at least show DC's that Brady and his receivers are capable of some big plays, but alas, they were few and far between.
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I agree with most everything you've said... I'd just like to remind you of the key players that are not in the game today - Watson, LoMo, Wilfork, and Rodney. I think the yards from this game is misleading because the defense did a great job at forcing turnovers and thus giving the offense a short field to work with. While we settled for too many field goals but also keep in mind that Gaffney left an easy 6 on the field today. Despite that, I am very happy to see that Gaffney is getting more of the offense down pat.

Overall, I am very pleased with today's outcome. Injury free, and most importantly, MISTAKE FREE.
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For those that insist on being critical and negative today........STOP IT........

We won in a blow out.

We took control from the opening kick off and never looked back.

We dominated a game in the NFL, never an easy thing to do.

If you cannot savor this victory and enjoy the day - you will never be happy.

One down, six to go.
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Old 12-17-2006, 04:41 PM   #6
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Just got back from game.
Boy our recievers really suck .
Droped passes ,they have no seperation.
When they did gaffney droped it
Wish jackson played more seems like when he was in there they ran it
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Despite that, I am very happy to see that Gaffney is getting more of the offense down pat.

Overall, I am very pleased with today's outcome. Injury free, and most importantly, MISTAKE FREE.
I know Gaffney had the TD - but I didn't see him do anything else... though I agree it does seem like he's been playing his role better - just that today's stats don't show it aside from 1 pass caught.

Ultimately it's BB's call to play it safe today - I'll not spend too much time second guessing... its just that today's game did nothing to give good D's a second thought about applying a Miami-like defensive scheme with the Safties playing on the line instead of deep coverage.
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For those that insist on being critical and negative today........STOP IT........

We won in a blow out.

We took control from the opening kick off and never looked back.

We dominated a game in the NFL, never an easy thing to do.

If you cannot savor this victory and enjoy the day - you will never be happy.

One down, six to go.

OK - so if we win everything's rosy and if we lose its the end of the world?

There shall be no game analysis just because they won?

C'mon - get off your high horse of being a "fan's fan" who refuses to acknowledge reality simply because we won.

This messageboard is for in-depth game analysis. That doesn't stop simply because we won.

Beating a 4-10 team doesn't mean we're ready for the Super Bowl - there's much work to be done to improve the team before we are.

If you don't want to talk about that, please don't - but don't fault others for doing so either.
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I know Gaffney had the TD - but I didn't see him do anything else... though I agree it does seem like he's been playing his role better - just that today's stats don't show it aside from 1 pass caught.

Ultimately it's BB's call to play it safe today - I'll not spend too much time second guessing... its just that today's game did nothing to give good D's a second thought about applying a Miami-like defensive scheme with the Safties playing on the line instead of deep coverage.
Yes, his 1-catch effort probably doesn't inspire a lot of confidence, but after a week of roller coaster ending with Gabriel's release, I think it's nice to see our other receiver stepping up. He could've had a 2-TD day but I am more than happy to take what he did today. He's probably not going to light the board on fire this last few games but it gives me comfort to know that we have more than Troy and Reche.
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maybe its just me but ..getting tired of this "involve jackson more " ideas...are BB and brady really that stupid that they would not throw him the ball more or involve him more if they think he would be effective ? Our offense has even when branch and givens were there was never built around throw X player more and let the player make plays...its always been the off unit doing what they are supposed to that is run the route as called and if you are open you will get the ball...
we never had superstar off players and its everyone doing ther job to get the ball moving.
also jackson has been injured most of the year,how much reps does he get to improve his route running or whatever ,now especially during the crunch of the season when we are trying to prepare for the next opponent ?
Add to that the fact that BB is most cautious with injuries, as he said today in the press conf "there is nothing more important to us than the,health of the players"
.so if jackson is not 100 % then putting him in more plays puts a risk of aggravating the injury...
i wish he made more plays and will probably turn out to be good player for us but lets face it ..he is not 100 and hasnt been on the team week in week out. Mcdaniels etc have had questionable game plans some times but iam quite confident that BB and brady and co. would identify jackson and involve him if they thought he could.Fact that gaffeny is in the field after signing him mid season is a good indication.
right now jackson can best do what he asked to which is get into the game , get used to game time situations and block during the running game and catch the ball if it gets thrown to him...he can contribute to improving our offense but i dont think he alone can make the diff...
i apologize in advance if i offended anyone ..not a jackson hater but cant see him helping us this season much.
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