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Old 08-21-2010, 08:52 PM   #1
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The argument for having your best WR turn into a decoy is:

  • He's too good to single-cover, except in specialized scenarios (e.g., red zone, jailbreak blitz).
  • He's not good enough to beat double coverage all that often, especially if you have a bunch of other skilled targets to throw to.
  • You can refine your offensive schemes so that defenses can't get away with putting "one and a half" guys in coverage on him.

I can't think of very many cases where that's how things have played out with a team's best WR, but the Pats also have an unusual mix of supporting factors:

  • Welker is outstanding at getting open.
  • Brady's receiving targets beyond Moss/Welker could be pretty decent.
  • Brady traditionally excels at finding and hitting the open guy.
  • Brady traditionally does not excel in his accuracy on deep balls.
Even if I'm right in what I'm suggesting, there will be plays in which Moss runs away from double or triple coverage. And there will be plays in which he's single-covered, prudently or otherwise. But with Welker coming back from injury and the other receivers being young (or else quite aged), I'd expect defenses to frequently key on Moss and make everybody else prove it.

The exceptions, of course, would be when they go hard after Brady and make the blockers prove it instead ...
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:30 PM   #2
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The argument for having your best WR turn into a decoy is:

  • He's too good to single-cover, except in specialized scenarios (e.g., red zone, jailbreak blitz).
  • He's not good enough to beat double coverage all that often, especially if you have a bunch of other skilled targets to throw to.
  • You can refine your offensive schemes so that defenses can't get away with putting "one and a half" guys in coverage on him.
I can't think of very many cases where that's how things have played out with a team's best WR, but the Pats also have an unusual mix of supporting factors:

  • Welker is outstanding at getting open.
  • Brady's receiving targets beyond Moss/Welker could be pretty decent.
  • Brady traditionally excels at finding and hitting the open guy.
  • Brady traditionally does not excel in his accuracy on deep balls.
Even if I'm right in what I'm suggesting, there will be plays in which Moss runs away from double or triple coverage. And there will be plays in which he's single-covered, prudently or otherwise. But with Welker coming back from injury and the other receivers being young (or else quite aged), I'd expect defenses to frequently key on Moss and make everybody else prove it.

The exceptions, of course, would be when they go hard after Brady and make the blockers prove it instead ...
Doesnt that assume the other team will only play man? I don't think that will be the case.
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I am having trouble parsing the logic here. Why use the best WR in the history of the game as a decoy instead of letting him score touchdowns?

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The argument for having your best WR turn into a decoy is:

  • He's too good to single-cover, except in specialized scenarios (e.g., red zone, jailbreak blitz).
  • He's not good enough to beat double coverage all that often, especially if you have a bunch of other skilled targets to throw to.
  • You can refine your offensive schemes so that defenses can't get away with putting "one and a half" guys in coverage on him.

I can't think of very many cases where that's how things have played out with a team's best WR, but the Pats also have an unusual mix of supporting factors:

  • Welker is outstanding at getting open.
  • Brady's receiving targets beyond Moss/Welker could be pretty decent.
  • Brady traditionally excels at finding and hitting the open guy.
  • Brady traditionally does not excel in his accuracy on deep balls.
Even if I'm right in what I'm suggesting, there will be plays in which Moss runs away from double or triple coverage. And there will be plays in which he's single-covered, prudently or otherwise. But with Welker coming back from injury and the other receivers being young (or else quite aged), I'd expect defenses to frequently key on Moss and make everybody else prove it.

The exceptions, of course, would be when they go hard after Brady and make the blockers prove it instead ...
And this is a good thing. a big advantage over teams that don't have someone double, or even triple teamed.

We could either ignore it and keep trying to run up the score and get records like in 2007, or take advantage.

In 2007, when Moss was covered we threw to watson on the sideline and he stepped out of bounds, like it was tag football.

We need to predict the double, or triple team that will develop and run routes designed to rip through the middle of the field with Hernandez, Edelman, or Faulk leaving them in the open field and the defense out of position. Possible TD every time. Tate's bound to be covered. There's only 11 defenders, it's stupid to settle for safe plays with no YAC.

They must be forced to decide, with the threat of a TD if they fail.

It's also the only way Moss will get less than double coverage.
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The argument for having your best WR turn into a decoy is:

  • He's too good to single-cover, except in specialized scenarios (e.g., red zone, jailbreak blitz).
  • He's not good enough to beat double coverage all that often, especially if you have a bunch of other skilled targets to throw to.
  • You can refine your offensive schemes so that defenses can't get away with putting "one and a half" guys in coverage on him.

I can't think of very many cases where that's how things have played out with a team's best WR, but the Pats also have an unusual mix of supporting factors:

  • Welker is outstanding at getting open.
  • Brady's receiving targets beyond Moss/Welker could be pretty decent.
  • Brady traditionally excels at finding and hitting the open guy.
  • Brady traditionally does not excel in his accuracy on deep balls.
Even if I'm right in what I'm suggesting, there will be plays in which Moss runs away from double or triple coverage. And there will be plays in which he's single-covered, prudently or otherwise. But with Welker coming back from injury and the other receivers being young (or else quite aged), I'd expect defenses to frequently key on Moss and make everybody else prove it.

The exceptions, of course, would be when they go hard after Brady and make the blockers prove it instead ...
I don't even understand the premise of this post...

Last year teams had to cover ONLY Moss and Welker. Did you take a look at the year Moss had even with everything playing against the team offensively?

Anyway, I expect the Patriots to continue to do what's best for the team even when the Fans can't fully understand it. Despite what people want you to believe, Brady has and will continue to look for a trustworthy open receiver. Moss will get throws in double coverage from time to time to keep the defense honest and because well he's (still) a freak and can make plays. But in general I fully expect the offense to do what it has always done (even in 2007) which is come up with good game plans and let Brady make good decisions as he very frequently does.
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No, he won't.
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I just want to say that Moss will retire as a Pat for several reasons. First, Tom will make sure of it and could have leverage if Tom makes it to FA. Second, I don't think Moss wants to end his career with another team, learn another offense and get on the same page with another QB.
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I just want to say that Moss will retire as a Pat for several reasons. First, Tom will make sure of it and could have leverage if Tom makes it to FA. Second, I don't think Moss wants to end his career with another team, learn another offense and get on the same page with another QB.
I hope you're right. We're lucky to have Moss on this team. I was thinking of starting a thread explaining why I think that Moss is the most underappreciated Patriot ever, but then I got too lazy. To summarize it, Moss is the most underappreciated Patriot ever.
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Moss beat a double team/over the top situation in the Atlanta game. Brady underthrew him. I'm not sure why you'd go the decoy route at that point.
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Do decoys catch for 1200 yards and 10 TDs? If so then possibly
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