Did The Branch Issue create a Wedge Between Brady And Pats FO? - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

brady2brown · 09-18-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pats1

Sorry for dragging this one further, but I picked up something reading the Globe today.

Brady said something to the effect of "you can't throw four years of offense at a player in a week."

Notice how he says four years of the offense? Not 3. Not 2. Not 5. Not 15.

Who had four years of the offense under their belts?

Deion Branch and David Givens.

Sure, he was saying to expect Jackson and Gabriel to play like Branch and Givens did in their first year, not their fourth year. Not that I'd want anyone to play like Givens did in his first year, but Brady certainly is correct in that we shouldn't be comparing Jackson's first year to Branch's last year.

I'd expect Gabriel, as a sort of veteran, to be up to speed in less than a year. Jackson we can expect just what we saw yesterday. An incredible catch, a drop, and a routine catch. Mix and match these posibilites, at random throughout the game. That's what rookie WRs do. Next year expect him to be consistent.

wrangler · 09-18-2006, 09:52 PM

Things work out with time, ya think ??

Bella*chick · 09-18-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan-NH

The team basically said it didn't care about Brady when they did this. I think previously he really believed the BS they hand out about team, and self-sacrifice, then they turn around and say 'business' and kiss good players off.

Exactly how is the "BS" about team and self-sacrifice incongruent with how the Patriots do business? You mean the megamillions Deion wanted were about "team"? The point of the FO's vision for a continuing contender is that you cannot keep players who decide that they want to cash in because it will be at the EXPENSE OF EVERYONE ELSE particularly if it is determined that their value is not what they (the player and his agent) have decided it is. In the case of Seymour and Brady, their value got their deals done.

You are acting like Deion crawled on his hands and knees asking for an extension and the Pats kicked him while he was down, spat in his face and told him to take a walk. You KNOW that is not what happened.

If you want to see what happens when a bunch of players make millions, then I direct you to the Washington Redskins. Yeah, they are all SO happy down here! The players couldn't. care. less. And they haven't won and aren't winning ****.

edgecy · 09-18-2006, 09:58 PM

First of all, I am kinda disappointed at the number of negative posts in this thread taking shots at the starter. Now back to the topic..

I think it's a combination of Deion leaving and having new set of WRs. We all say that Tom is a professional, but he's human, and I remember a time not long ago when I lost the fire for an organization when I lost a good friend in it, and it's not impossible for Tom to go through the samething. Now, I do expect him to start playing better when his WRs are getting on the same page with him.

We all know Tom would much much rather be throwing to Deion, and there's no denying that. But I think when Chad and Doug are hitting on all cylinders, they will make him forget about Deion

And when that happens Tom will play much better, and it will make Dilloroney hate Chad/Doug

***MoLewisrocks*** · 09-18-2006, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pats1

Sorry for dragging this one further, but I picked up something reading the Globe today.

Brady said something to the effect of "you can't throw four years of offense at a player in a week."

Notice how he says four years of the offense? Not 3. Not 2. Not 5. Not 15.

Who had four years of the offense under their belts?

Deion Branch and David Givens.

We won back to back Superbowls when Branch and Givens had two and three years of the offense under their belts. We won while they were still in college. And we lost in two of their 4 seasons here.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN??????????????????????

It means it will take time to work the new guys in.

And for the record there were guys in that locker room who believed Deion was made a pretty fair offer, that he should have negotiated, that he should have honored his contract and that the financial discipline this FO has shown has consistently paid dividends and if they caved for this player there were guys who were going to be pissed. It's pretty clear that man love for his guy aside, Brady was one of them. Mike Florio reported several weeks ago that Brady was privately disappointed with Deion's holdout antics. In fact he was the one delivering ultimatums to his guy before the FO pulled the trigger on the trade.

Tom has spoken of learning a lesson. It's not that his FO is cheap and won't pay his buddies. It's that he cannot let himself get all tied up in knots over guys making decisions that are beyond his ability to influence, when unlike him they decide that what they want (more $$$$$$$) is what they need.

He decided a long time ago that this team is what he needs. Just like Tedy did. He is in it with this FO for the long haul and a legacy. He could make more money elsewhere, but how the hell much do you need.

VJCPatriot · 09-18-2006, 11:34 PM

I think it's always disappointing to lose a friend and a reliable player from the offense. But last night we began to see glimpses of hope. Chad Jackson's talent is unreal. He is a legit deep threat and once he finally gets this offense under his belt I think he will be even better than Deion.

Flying Fungi · 09-18-2006, 11:45 PM

Brady is not underpaid

repeat

Tom Brady is not underpaid

that is all

pats-blue · 09-18-2006, 11:47 PM

Wow a lot of Physco bable in this thread...maybe Tom's cat died, lost his lucky shirt, lost at kino or maybe he had a couple of bad games because of O line play, new receivers so the timing is off and simply some bad throws by him....he HAS made bad throws before I think...even with his "friends" playing.

I will remind everyone that the following is 2-0............

RayClay · 09-18-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan-NH

What you all seem to be missing in your denial of Brady's problems is just what he is wrestling with.

Yes its Branch and Wille and team mates he knows who are friends, but it doesn't stop there. With this action the writing is on the wall not just for Tom but for all the guys, which is probably why they are so upset. Yes they say its for Branch et al, but its also for themselves.

The other guys realize that when their contracts are up they are going to have to leave. Why, because they can get better money elsewhere and the Pats have shown they don't care and will let you go. Doesn't matter if the Pats think its overpaying, if the market supports it, thats what they will expect. Some will stay, but others won't.

Branch's departure is essentially their funeral dirge. They are sad because they were hoping they would be different and the team would keep them -- its human nature to think you are special. Branch's departure is like a wet fish in the face: doesn't matter who you are they will not pay more for you than for a cheap rookie.

The players are not playing for charity and if they can get a better deal somewhere else they will probably have to take it, and if they don't their friends will. Yes they care about the other guys, and probably know that staying with BB is the best from a football perspective, but especially if you have a couple of rings, and the Pats effectively spit in your face, you will go.

Brady is in a different situation. Much worse. Even if he can physically stay another 7 years, his talent may not last that long (can we say Brett Farve). So he has a limited amount of time to use his gift. What the Pats have basically said to him is that every couple of years he is going to have to go through this, because the receivers he is in synch with are going to leave. So he is constantly going to have to throw to scrubs. Once he gets the good ones trained they are going to be gone (Troy is the only one who has not left). The new CBA prevents teams from singing longterm rookie contracts.

The team basically said it didn't care about Brady when they did this. I think previously he really believed the BS they hand out about team, and self-sacrifice, then they turn around and say 'business' and kiss good players off.

If Brady's receivers have training wheels every other year or every two years he can kiss his chance at true record book greatness goodbye. He may not have that as a specific goal but he does want to be the best and perfect, and as his last 2 outings show, even though we won, he has not been anywhere near his level of acceptable. Its like he is having a rookie year all over again - trying to get the throws right based on different heights, speeds, etc....

And if you looked at him sitting on the bench on the sideline staring into space, there can be no doubt that he is not happy. Hell, he usually doesn't sit on the bench when he is actually in the game.

What did Peter King say, that when Brady gave his Post-Jets press conference, even though he won, he sounded like his dog had died.

Its not just us, people around the league are noticing it too.

They hate Brady. Seymour too.

They're trying to get rid of everybody because they think they're so smart they can win another Super Bowl without players.

Yes, I can hear that funeral dirge

Swing Low Sweet Chaaariooot Coming for to carry me home.

Swiiiing Low Sweet Chaaariooot Coming for to carry me home.

Flying Fungi · 09-18-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan-NH

What you all seem to be missing in your denial of Brady's problems is just what he is wrestling with.

Yes its Branch and Wille and team mates he knows who are friends, but it doesn't stop there. With this action the writing is on the wall not just for Tom but for all the guys, which is probably why they are so upset. Yes they say its for Branch et al, but its also for themselves.

The other guys realize that when their contracts are up they are going to have to leave. Why, because they can get better money elsewhere and the Pats have shown they don't care and will let you go. Doesn't matter if the Pats think its overpaying, if the market supports it, thats what they will expect. Some will stay, but others won't.

Branch's departure is essentially their funeral dirge. They are sad because they were hoping they would be different and the team would keep them -- its human nature to think you are special. Branch's departure is like a wet fish in the face: doesn't matter who you are they will not pay more for you than for a cheap rookie.

The players are not playing for charity and if they can get a better deal somewhere else they will probably have to take it, and if they don't their friends will. Yes they care about the other guys, and probably know that staying with BB is the best from a football perspective, but especially if you have a couple of rings, and the Pats effectively spit in your face, you will go.

Brady is in a different situation. Much worse. Even if he can physically stay another 7 years, his talent may not last that long (can we say Brett Farve). So he has a limited amount of time to use his gift. What the Pats have basically said to him is that every couple of years he is going to have to go through this, because the receivers he is in synch with are going to leave. So he is constantly going to have to throw to scrubs. Once he gets the good ones trained they are going to be gone (Troy is the only one who has not left). The new CBA prevents teams from singing longterm rookie contracts.

The team basically said it didn't care about Brady when they did this. I think previously he really believed the BS they hand out about team, and self-sacrifice, then they turn around and say 'business' and kiss good players off.

If Brady's receivers have training wheels every other year or every two years he can kiss his chance at true record book greatness goodbye. He may not have that as a specific goal but he does want to be the best and perfect, and as his last 2 outings show, even though we won, he has not been anywhere near his level of acceptable. Its like he is having a rookie year all over again - trying to get the throws right based on different heights, speeds, etc....

And if you looked at him sitting on the bench on the sideline staring into space, there can be no doubt that he is not happy. Hell, he usually doesn't sit on the bench when he is actually in the game.

What did Peter King say, that when Brady gave his Post-Jets press conference, even though he won, he sounded like his dog had died.

Its not just us, people around the league are noticing it too.

normally i don't like to pile on, but this post reeks of a lack of understanding of the NFL as a business, of the New England Patriots as a model franchise, of Tom Brady as the consummate professional...and furthermore...as a Nashua native...you're making my hometown look bad...