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Old 08-23-2006, 09:07 AM   #51
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To throw a little perspective on the flames, the crime here is not the reporting as much as the loss of reporters. I'm amazed that in all this ranting about whether Reiss is sufficiently antagonistic to the front office, you're missing (so like many reporters out there) the real story.

The three-time national champion patriots have lost (a) Projo's lead reporter to NBC, (b) the Globe's lead reporter to Houston, and (c) the quality of Felger's writing now that he's the servant of live media.

Pickings are slim in Boston. Tomase is okay, but he lacks Curran's quality and for that matter, Solomon's as well.

So go easy on the reporters who recently climbed out of the suburban high school beat into the regional spotlight.

Personally, I don't think he sucks up to the team. I think instead that each writer has their preferences and their audience. Cafardo and Borges have their axes to grind and some people like that. Reiss caters to the fan that wears red-white-and-blue glasses.

As you can tell by the responses, that's most of us.
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Old 08-23-2006, 09:14 AM   #52
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Mike Reiss has consistently opined this offseason in his Ask Reiss/chat sessions that he thought that the Pats should have been more proactive in their dealings with Adam and Givens.
Very fair point, thanks. (Though it could be argued that offering an opinion is different from revealing information.)

This week Reiss has an incredibly heavy load -- he seems to have stepped in for Solomon to write the Globe's feature articles on the Pats, while still blogging and hosting chats. When does the poor guy get a new partner on the Patriots beat?

[EDIT: just saw PatsFan37's post after I posted this. It's slim pickings indeed, and getting awfully close to the start of the season to fill a couple of critical beat jobs! Yikes.]
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Old 08-23-2006, 09:15 AM   #53
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One more thing to keep in mind. Many reporters try to make a story out of the people on the team, to give them something easy to write about. Building a story from quotes and opinions is the easiest thing for them to do and fundamentally they're lazy.

What some of us like to know is how the team will perform on Sunday. This requires watching the tape, analyzing player performances, critically watching practice and evaluating players themselves. This ain't easy (ask Box and Pats1). Reiss does it, Felger still does it, and I'll miss Curran's analysis.

There's a limited market for that kind of detailed reporting, since most fans' knowledge doesn't get into the players in the trenches.

Here on this forum, I'm surprised to see any angst over a perceived lack of reporting of front office moves or injuries. Doesn't that get enough press?

What we are MISSING, my friends, is analysis of the action on the field. And the skilled FOOTBALL reporters who do it.

Or have you forgotten that Tomase was most recently a baseball reporter?

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Very fair point, thanks. (Though it could be argued that offering an opinion is different from revealing information.)
I totally agree than offering an opinion is different from revealing information. I just wonder what negative information did Reiss not reveal that other writers did.
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I totally agree than offering an opinion is different from revealing information. I just wonder what negative information did Reiss not reveal that other writers did.
He's been COMPLETELY AWOL on the Aurora Faye story.
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As I said in my original post, I understand that at this point in the media environment, you need guys like Reiss. But don't tell me his job is harder than somebody like Tomase's -- because I know. It's 10x harder to consistently get "scoops" that aren't stamped for approval by the franchise media reps, especially when you've got a history of printing things that obviously cheese off the FO -- like anything having to do with a Patriot injury, ever.
I will give you that Tomase has scooped Riess on the Bruschi wrist break. But he has also jumped the gun on a couple of things and had to back off of them. Not to mention that he does not do a great job breaking down what is actually going on football wise. His, Brady almost gaffe story about Brady trying to get the kid to flex was assine in more ways then ten. But maybe with time he will grow into the position.

With Riess you have a reporter that knows a thing or two about football and that is greatly appreciated. More so he cares about football which is more appreciated by the fans that are back-burnered by so much of the local media. Given that he used to work for the in house PFW crew, he does have more access. But it also indotronated him into the philosophy of that injuries are not news.

But he is more then willing to give contrary views. See Miguels post about Vinatieri. But they have to do with football issues. His blog gives his opnion on how guys are preforming and what nuggets he can glean from the staff on how guys are doing as far as on the field issues. Which is something I am more interested in.
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Old 08-23-2006, 09:46 PM   #57
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Ah, an idealistic journalism major. Let me let you in on a little secret that the lib journalism profs never told you: reporters are whores. It has been that way since time immemorial. If you're not ready to lay down, you're in the wrong business.



PUH-LEESE. That must explain all the pro-Bush articles I am always seeing in the paper. Do you really think think that the current administration INVENTED access ? The last one raised raised it to a fine art, practically pedaling access for cash, along with the Lincoln Bedroom, cabinet positions, 'executive orders' and photo ops. After the Lewinski story broke (on the Internet, after the story was suppressed by Newsweek), Clinton didn't have a public press conference in over a year - but plenty of softball 1 on 1 interviews. Where were the hand-wringing journalists decrying access then ? Not a peep.

If you think that GWB is the biggest threat to journalism, you are seriously naive, deluded, or both. Ever heard of Jason Blair ? NY Times reporter who made up stories while sitting in his apartment high on crack ? He wasn't caught for years because the stories all had perfect liberal spin. How about the CNN executive, who admitted that they didn't air stories about Sadaam Hussein's genocide against the Kurds, because it would have precluded getting interviews (access) with him ? How about the obviously fake National Guard documents that CBS tried to smear GWB with a few weeks before an election ? How about the AP photojournalist who was just caught doctoring his photos to make them more dramatic (and anti-Israeli) ?

Do you know what 'stringers' are, and how they are used ? Those are the unheralded underpaid people that actually DO the legwork, interviews and fact checking (what reporters are SUPPOSED to do), which is then turned over to the 'star' national reporter to actually write the article that will be published (with the correct editorial spin) with that reporter as the only one in the byline. Isn't that extermely dishonest ? The person telling you the story is telling you facts that he or she didn't collect themselves, but pretends that they did ? Your probably too young to remember, but prior to the journalism scandals, you NEVER saw the stringers get credit. Now at least, you will see a little blurb at the bottom, saying so-and-so 'contributed' to the report.

My guess is that your journalism profs didn't spend much time on these issues. Journalistic ethics as it is practiced by today's MSM is an oxymoron.



You decry tabloid and entertainment journalism, but then criticize Reiss because he doesn't engage in it. Far be it for me to suggest that journalists engage in hypocrisy.

We like and trust Reiss because seems to present a balanced set of facts that coupled with a reasonable knowledge of the game of football. He clearly states when he is stating a fact and when he is giving an opinion. He doesn't engage in sensationalism for it's own sake to sell papers or self-aggrandizing. Case in point - when most of local and national media sensationally reported that Tom Brady had criticized the FO re: Branch, Reiss reported the ENTIRE interview, which clearly showed that he was misquoted and taken out of context. He obviously puts in a lot of work, as his Blog clearly shows.

Sounds like spoiled grapes to me. You could learn a lot from Reiss.

Of course thanks to the Internet, people like us aren't wholly reliant on people like you to spoon feed us information - information that YOU feel is important and presented in a way YOU feel like presenting it. Gone are the days when a few monolithic (liberal) media outlets monopolize what we know and think. We can get information from a variety of sources, judge them on their merits, and make our own decisions.

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It used to be said if you couldn't cut in college, go to the Education School and study methods of teaching finger painting.

But now if you can't cut it in the Education School, go to the Journalism School where you can earn straight As without understanding any history, any economics, any Science, any writing ability, or any pretense of what balance and bias is.

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