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Old 07-24-2010, 07:37 AM   #11
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Randy Moss gets dinged by critics because he is so outstanding that he makes it all look so absolutely effortless. That is sometimes interpreted as laziness and being uninvolved.
Roll the tape son. No need for interpretation.
It's amazing the mental gymnastics some fans will go through to explain away the obvious dog in Randy Moss.
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Old 07-24-2010, 07:48 AM   #12
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Roll the tape son. No need for interpretation.
It's amazing the mental gymnastics some fans will go through to explain away the obvious dog in Randy Moss.
You cannot be serious! The best WR in Patriots history and still one of the best in the league. Sure-fire Hall of Famer. You listen to too much Fleger and Callahan. You must be one of the guys who wanted the Patriots to draft Dez (then you would see what a real dog is).
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You cannot be serious! The best WR in Patriots history and still one of the best in the league. Sure-fire Hall of Famer. You listen to too much Fleger and Callahan. You must be one of the guys who wanted the Patriots to draft Dez (then you would see what a real dog is).
Stop with this nonsense. Unlike you I don't rely on others to tell me how I should think about things. I draw my own conclusions by what I see. I see tons of natural ability with Randy Moss. I also see a guy who dogs it quite often, who pouts if the ball isnt coming his way and a guy who's never won a damn
thing in the NFL.
Question is has this WR been a good influence on Tom Brady??
I don't think so at all. Brady has fallen into a bad habit to forcing balls into double coverage looking for his binky. Cost them the Miami game last year because of it. Very unBrady like behavior witrh Moss around.
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Old 07-24-2010, 09:08 AM   #14
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If one of the best CB's in the league says that he lets up on plays, maybe there's some truth to it. Of course it could just be Revis saying that to get under his skin, but it didn't sound that way when he said it.
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revis benefits from the constant blitzing the jets do

the offense does not generally look for its #1 in a deep pattern in that set up

while everyone else was loading up on big-play WR's, the pats loaded up on TE's who can catch the ball

the jets can stop the long ball (at least on one side of the field anyway), but they still get torn to shred on the short game. patience makes the jets look silly. 2 TE set, lots of short passing play to set up the run
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Stop with this nonsense. Unlike you I don't rely on others to tell me how I should think about things. I draw my own conclusions by what I see. I see tons of natural ability with Randy Moss. I also see a guy who dogs it quite often, who pouts if the ball isnt coming his way and a guy who's never won a damn
thing in the NFL.
Question is has this WR been a good influence on Tom Brady??
I don't think so at all. Brady has fallen into a bad habit to forcing balls into double coverage looking for his binky. Cost them the Miami game last year because of it. Very unBrady like behavior witrh Moss around.
what is this i don't even
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revis benefits from the constant blitzing the jets do

the offense does not generally look for its #1 in a deep pattern in that set up

while everyone else was loading up on big-play WR's, the pats loaded up on TE's who can catch the ball

the jets can stop the long ball (at least on one side of the field anyway), but they still get torn to shred on the short game. patience makes the jets look silly. 2 TE set, lots of short passing play to set up the run
Revis does NOT benefit from the constant blitzing the Jets do. It is the other way around. The blitzes benefit from Revis' lockdown coverage. It's weird, but this is how the Jets defense worked last year. It started from the secondary in, not from the front 7. Rex has also stated that he likes building his defense from the outside in [he has an obsession with cornerbacks]. Kyle Wilson being drafted obviously proves this.

Anyway, it's proven already that Revis can shut down Moss. Sooo, yeah...
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Anyway, it's proven already that Revis can shut down Moss when he has one or two safeties helping him over the top and Brady's accuracy isn't at its normal level. Sooo, yeah...
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Revis does NOT benefit from the constant blitzing the Jets do. It is the other way around. The blitzes benefit from Revis' lockdown coverage. It's weird, but this is how the Jets defense worked last year. It started from the secondary in, not from the front 7. Rex has also stated that he likes building his defense from the outside in [he has an obsession with cornerbacks]. Kyle Wilson being drafted obviously proves this.

Anyway, it's proven already that Revis can shut down Moss. Sooo, yeah...
I'm leaning towards you on this one......premier qb's like Brady,Manning,Brees et al,pretty much know when the initial coverage by the Cb is going to disrupt the play call to the primary receiver.Even before he senses a blitz developing.

This is especially true with lcb's like revis...the qb has a better feel for the inside slant and post pattern angles with the receiver on the right-offensive side than on the left.This is also why,imho,that the 10-15yd out pattern is better to the left offensive side than the right(for a right-handed qb).

For we patriot fans,put aside our predjudice of all-things Revis and look back at Ty Law's initial coverage and understanding of what the opposing receiver was capable of.

A blitz speeds up Brady's clock,but it's his read of Revis's initial coverage of Moss that determines whether the slant or go is going to work.

So......I'm going with gut,on this one.
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I thought Revis was the best defensive player last season, but I can see a major letdown this season. He seems too distracted by the contract situation, and the success seems to be going to his head too quickly. If he doesn't get paid, I could see him start gambling more to snag more picks for his contract negotiations.

I expect a big year out of Moss too. He knows he needs to produce for his next contract, whether in New England or somewhere else.
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