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Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA
With all the talk that we should have taken Dez and that he will be a star for Dallas will mean that Dallas's old OL better give Romo time to find him or it won't matter how much talent he has.
Did you even read the article you linked? You are acting like an old oline cannot block as well as a young oline.
Read the article as see what good it does to get younger at Oline.
Here are the five youngest Olines in the league in order of age according the the article you linked:
1. 49ers
2 Broncos
3. Rams
4. Panthers
5 Texans
How many of those young olines were in the playoffs?
Becasue when I look at the oldest Olines, I see teams like the Cowboys, Patriots, Packers, Giants, Saints and Vikings. Yeah, the Lions are in there too, but those other teams are all powerhouses. Who ever wrote that article is an idiot. His own data disputes his conclusion.
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Without doing mathematics,I think Vollmer who is all but penciled in as a starter this season is probably what keeps NE from having the oldest OL over Dallas,but the age between oldest OL and mid pack is only a matter of a year or less in most cases.
You said it yourself right there. Take out Neal and replace him with a 23 year old, and the entire OL gets 2 years younger - which puts us right in the middle of the pack. So this is really a non-issue. Age-wise, Light, Kaczur, and Koppen have at least 2 years left. Skill-wise, is an entirely different topic.
Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
i say we use next year's pick from the raiders on a OL.
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Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
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However, we aren't the best at what we could be at RB.
I will respectfully disagree here. We've had back to back years of top 10 rushing attacks with a RB by committee system. Last year I believe we were 9th, and in 2008 I think we were actually 5th. (you may want to double check, I haven't verified and am going off the top of my head)
It may not be that exciting of a position to watch, but I don't think having an early rd pick would've made that much of a difference.
I'm not sure BB cares whether or not we have 1 main RB, or a RBBC system, especially if we're putting up good numbers like the past 2 seasons. IIRC, wasn't 2008 one of our franchise's best running attacks? That's pretty good considering there's been 50 yrs of comparisons.
I'm sure next yr we'll take a top 3 rd RB + maybe add another solid vet at the position, but as far as actual need, you can't fault a system that allows fresh players to rotate at a good cost/value. Not only that, but come playoff time, you're guaranteed a solid and fresh back for a stretch run.
As long as you're getting approx. 4 yds/ave per carry, I don't really care if they're young/old, well known/no name, etc. Plus it's good for injury concerns and gives us obvious depth.
Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
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Originally Posted by supafly
I will respectfully disagree here. We've had back to back years of top 10 rushing attacks with a RB by committee system. Last year I believe we were 9th, and in 2008 I think we were actually 5th. (you may want to double check, I haven't verified and am going off the top of my head)
It may not be that exciting of a position to watch, but I don't think having an early rd pick would've made that much of a difference.
I'm not sure BB cares whether or not we have 1 main RB, or a RBBC system, especially if we're putting up good numbers like the past 2 seasons. IIRC, wasn't 2008 one of our franchise's best running attacks? That's pretty good considering there's been 50 yrs of comparisons.
I'm sure next yr we'll take a top 3 rd RB + maybe add another solid vet at the position, but as far as actual need, you can't fault a system that allows fresh players to rotate at a good cost/value. Not only that, but come playoff time, you're guaranteed a solid and fresh back for a stretch run.
As long as you're getting approx. 4 yds/ave per carry, I don't really care if they're young/old, well known/no name, etc. Plus it's good for injury concerns and gives us obvious depth.
The above is meaningless. Everybody knows Maroney sucks and the Pats can't run the ball. Why do you insist on continually posting facts when emotional over-reaction is obviously what is called for.
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“When we look at the board, based on everything we want in a football player at that particular time, we evaluate them and take the player that fits best for our football team. That’s what we always do, and I think the last nine years we’ve put a pretty competitive team out there on the field every year. I think that’s how you do it – you get good football players. Sometimes they are not always at the No. 1 position, but I don’t think you pass up good football players to get the guys who aren’t as good just because they’re at a position that somebody feels you need.”
BB on his draft philosophy, April 2010
Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
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Originally Posted by spacecrime
The above is meaningless. Everybody knows Maroney sucks and the Pats can't run the ball. Why do you insist on continually posting facts when emotional over-reaction is obviously what is called for.
Agreed.
I think its reasonable to conclude that any RB in the NFL would do a better job.
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Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
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That's why I said it was a nitpick. This year, he doesn't look to be penciled in as a starter at RT and I don't expect him to be. The fact that he was pulled at the end of the season last year in favor of an extremely raw rookie who, a lot of times, required help from a TE speaks volumes about what BB and Dante thought of Kaczur. Neal leaving the line-up exposed his weaknesses just as much as they exposed Connolly's. The only difference is that Connolly was supposed to be a back-up (and we knew as much) while Kaczur was supposed to be a starter. I also find it funny that the only defense that anybody can come up with for him is that he signed an extension. WOW, what an Earth shattering defense! IMO, getting pulled from the starting line-up in favor of said rookie says more than signing an extension. Me? I sincerely hope that Kaczur is not the starter at RT in 2011. I like him as a back-up, though...
Please check the injury reports for those games, you are using erroneous data to reach your conclusion.
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Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
There are two problems, one is Koppen getting blown up, not able to hold his block for more than a millisecond. The other is speed rushers turnstiling light and kaczur.
A related problem is play calling so obvious that the defense can literally call the play, the audible, and the hole it's going to.
Interesting notes here is that only Jeff Saturday of the Colts is the only projected OL starter in the league over 34 years old.
As we look into 2011,the RBs on the Pats aren't the only area that needs to get addressed for younger players.
Without doing mathematics,I think Vollmer who is all but penciled in as a starter this season is probably what keeps NE from having the oldest OL over Dallas,but the age between oldest OL and mid pack is only a matter of a year or less in most cases.
I think Larsen (if he makes the team) will be a start to next season of getting younger at the position as we go into 2011.
No biggie! They have two of the best young talents there (Mankins and Sea Bass), who will be joined by draft picks at center/guard, and tackle. I love the mix of youth and experience, to be honest.
Re: Patriots have the second oldest offensive line in the NFL
Interesting stats. Not sure what they mean since, as other posters have noted, there is a lot of noise in the data for every team.
If you look at the 12 teams that made the playoffs last year, five are in the top quartile (top eight) of oldest OL's, including the eventual champion Saints.
Only two teams that made the Playoffs were in the bottom (youngest) quartile: Chargers and Ravens. So, experience seems to count for something.
Interestingly enough, the Colts are almost square in the middle at #14.
In the glass half/full half/empty department, the Jets at 18 are either too young or will just keep getting better.
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