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Regardless of what happens, I don't want to see Green back.
To my eyes, he simply isn't worth what they're paying him at this point, since he's unable to get any pass rush and is a complete liability against the run. In retrospect, the assumption that Green would be a suitable replacement remains one of the most baffling aspects of the Seymour trade.
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I'm VERY intrigued by BB's decision to assume control of the defense for '10. He's putting his reputation on the line as a defensive guru, for one thing. He obviously was not pleased with the job Pees did. So, I'm wondering if we will see noticeable changes in scheme/philosophy. Will the defense be significantly better this coming season? Will it be more aggressive? Or, will it be the same 3-4 contain philosophy only with better execution? I, for one, have high expectations. What say you?
I like it..... He is a defensive minded coach. Kinda like Wade Phillips now in the sense that he has full responsibility on defense. From other years past I enjoyed how Bellichick would take a dry erase board and be informing the Defense of their wrong doings. Or what to do.
I still predict a 3-4 scheme. But.... what Belichick needs to realize is calling blitzes on field>predetermined sideline blitzes (which you can) obviously see by watching body language of coaches/personell from the sidelines.
Blitzes need to happen from the field and one must take in to consideration the current formation/set of the opposing offense. (BY Field I mean LOS)
1. We need an O-Coordinator (we lost 2 of the best)
2. Peppers would be a nice addition (don't shoot me)
His 3-4/ 4-3 is very useful and he can play OLB or DE
3. Blitz from field.... by recognizing coverages and formations
4. we need more animals on D.... I still think we lack proper players for a Successful Blitz.
5. Draft OL, WR, Defense for the rest...... DE obviously
Defense wins Championships. We can rebuild it greatly this year and after next year PATS could be on top again.
2010/2011= Big Drafts
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I don't believe it's a stretch to figure that most observers will have higher expectations for this year's defense with BB taking the reins as DC. Depending, of course, on what happens with personnel, any slide in overall performance will have folks bleating that the game has passed him by. Would a bad defensive year ruin his legacy? Of course not. But what BB is doing is unprecedented in his New England tenure. Considering that his rep was built on defensive innovation, the microscope will be trained on him and what this defense does all the more closely.
Not so much, NE won't be under the microscope as much after being bumped out of the playoffs the way they were - Sexy Rexy, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees - the pressure is on.
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No matter how you cut it, Pees's exit suggests a "parting of the ways" beyond merely his contract ending. Considering that BB isn't ready to designate either Patricia or Johnson as DC, logic would suggest that having an experienced man in place to mentor them on a day-to-day basis would be the head coach's preference. Obviously, BB didn't feel Pees was the man for the job. Which leads us to ...
No matter how you cut it people read what they want to read into it without having a clue. Lombardi didn't make a big deal out of it and as pundits goes he's fair but speaks his mind - I just don't see any reason to make more of it then what was announced. Like it matters either way.
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So what does your crystal ball tell you about who this will be?
Not a clue. BB currently has three options on the staff - Brown, Johnson, Patricia - I could see any one of them. We should get a better handle by Training Camp.
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I don't think we'll see a huge change in the scheme, as BB isn't about to change everything around while also handling all of his other responsibilities. But I think the comments about him mentoring the younger guys and developing leaders is right on the mark.
Despite the loss of Seymour, this defense played really well at times this season, but was incredibly inconsistent. Against the Colts, they did a great job against Manning for most of the game, but fell apart at the end. The overall defense was pretty solid, but was atrocious in key areas such as red zone and 3rd down defense.
As for how people might perceive BB, especially if the defense struggles, it could happen. But BB doesn't care what people think, and I doubt he's wasted 2 seconds on it.
I'm quite excited. I think he spends a season grooming the defense, then passes it off to Pepper or Patricia. My guess would be Patricia. I also wonder if he feels if O'Brien will do a better job this season and has learned from his past mistakes so that BB can focus on the defensive side of the ball more.
I also wonder if he feels if O'Brien will do a better job this season and has learned from his past mistakes so that BB can focus on the defensive side of the ball more.
Seems like.
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Exactly, to my eye he actually outplayed Mayo a bit, though it seems people need their whipping boys.
An NFL player beating out a one-legged man isn't something to be bragging about. Mayo was not a starting quality linebacker upon his return from injury. Guyton has never been a starting quality linebacker. Hopefully, BB will either look for Guyton's replacement season, even if it's a platooning situation (Guyton as a situational player on passing downs), or McKenzie will impress so much that he takes the job and remains healthy. It's possible that Guyton will develop enough to be acceptable on early downs, but relying on that is a dangerous idea.
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Wilfork and Green are UFAs, I want both back, but won't be surprised if one is tagged and traded and the other is picked up by another team.
Green's a pass rushing D-lineman who hasn't been generating pass rush and has never been good against the run. As with Burgess, if Green returns in a meaningful role, it's a bad sign for the defense.
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The infusion of youth into the front seven is well underway, I'd just like to see more of it at OLB.
Unless Brace has a 'breakout' kind of year, the infusion of youth into the front seven consists of 1 starter (Mayo) and a bunch of role players. That kind of infusion of youth eventually results in bottom tier teams.
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An NFL player beating out a one-legged man isn't something to be bragging about. Mayo was not a starting quality linebacker upon his return from injury. Guyton has never been a starting quality linebacker. Hopefully, BB will either look for Guyton's replacement season, even if it's a platooning situation (Guyton as a situational player on passing downs), or McKenzie will impress so much that he takes the job and remains healthy. It's possible that Guyton will develop enough to be acceptable on early downs, but relying on that is a dangerous idea.
Green's a pass rushing D-lineman who hasn't been generating pass rush and has never been any good against the run. As with Burgess, if Green returns in a meaningful role, it's a bad sign for the defense.
Unless Brace has a 'breakout' kind of year, the infusion of youth into the front seven consists of 1 starter (Mayo) and a bunch of role players. That kind of infusion of youth eventually results in bottom tier teams.
I see Capt. Downer has a new Lieutenant.
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If the reality of the team's current state is a downer, that's not on me, or any other posters. I simply think that questioning the moves of head coach and GM, and hoping he does a significantly better job this offseason, is where energy should be focused, instead of focusing on keeping a pass rushing defensive lineman who's managed all of 3 sacks in his last 25 games, or building up backup defensive linemen and relying on ILBs who can't shed blocks.
It's nice to have a solid 53 man roster, but that's only important if your front 22 is good enough to start with. The team has some talent on it, but claiming it has more than it really does isn't going to do people any favors. I would think the debunking of the "Green is almost as good as Seymour" craziness from last year would have driven that point home.
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If the reality of the team's current state is a downer, that's not on me, or any other posters. I simply think that questioning the moves of head coach and GM, and hoping he does a significantly better job this offseason, is where energy should be focused, instead of focusing on keeping a pass rushing defensive lineman who's managed all of 3 sacks in his last 25 games, or building up backup defensive linemen and relying on ILBs who can't shed blocks.
It's nice to have a solid 53 man roster, but that's only important if your front 22 is good enough to start with. The team has some talent on it, but claiming it has more than it really does isn't going to do people any favors. I would think the debunking of the "Green is almost as good as Seymour" craziness from last year would have driven that point home.
Different realities.
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Pretty clear reality. It's not a question of "if" the team's in decline. The questions are "why?" and "how do they reverse it?"
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Re: What does BB have in mind for the defense?
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