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Old 08-31-2009, 03:23 PM   #31
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I'm sure you are being facetious, but I think it's at least fair to say that the Patriots have drafted some real clunkers in the third round under BB. O'Connell, Brock Williams, Guss Scott were unmitigated disasters. And would anyone be that surprised if Tate, McKenzie and Crable were all gone by 2010?
Why in the world would McKenzie and Tate be gone?
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:28 PM   #32
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Why in the world would McKenzie and Tate be gone?
Why in the world? Were you surpised when Garrett Mills got cut in 2007? The recent history of young Patriots injured early in their Patriot careers is not a good one.
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I'm sure you are being facetious, but I think it's at least fair to say that the Patriots have drafted some real clunkers in the third round under BB. O'Connell, Brock Williams, Guss Scott were unmitigated disasters. And would anyone be that surprised if Tate, McKenzie and Crable were all gone by 2010?
You people are amazing.......

Williams was injured even before he got to camp. McKenzie had the same thing happen.

McKenzie and Tate will get next season to show what they can do unless they absolutely stink on ice.

There is a large chunk of this fan base that really needs to go root for a team like the Bengals, so that they can learn to appreciate what they have here. No team hits on every pick.
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Tate = 1st round talent if he wasn't injured. Hopefully a chance to learn the system and develop into a threat next year to take over from Galloway. Or am I too hopeful.

McKenzie = Would be in the rotation with Guyton and Mayo. Was very high on this pick.
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Williams was injured even before he got to camp. McKenzie had the same thing happen.

McKenzie and Tate will get next season to show what they can do unless they absolutely stink on ice.

There is a large chunk of this fan base that really needs to go root for a team like the Bengals, so that they can learn to appreciate what they have here. No team hits on every pick.
No need for the ad hominem attacks, Skippy. The Patriots have had a lot of misses in the 3rd round. That's a fact. Where did I say that the Pats miss on every pick or should hit on every pick???

Of course McKenzie and Tate will be judged on their own merits next year, but the history of injured rookies in recent Patriots history is not a happy one. Mills, Williams, Womack, for example, never rebounded from their injuries despite much optimism from the local fan base. Gimme a break.
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No team hits on every pick.
The fantasy team I manage routinely drafts productive wide receivers in the 12th round every year.
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No need for the ad hominem attacks, Skippy. The Patriots have had a lot of misses in the 3rd round. That's a fact. Where did I say that the Pats miss on every pick or should hit on every pick???

Of course McKenzie and Tate will be judged on their own merits next year, but the history of injured rookies in recent Patriots history is not a happy one. Mills, Williams, Womack, for example, never rebounded from their injuries despite much optimism from the local fan base. Gimme a break.
1.) It's not a fact, it's an opinion. The phrase "a lot" precludes it from being fact, since "a lot" is not a specific thing.

2.) I'm 100% positive that I was referring to more than just yourself. That's where such wording as "You people" and "large chunk" come into play.

As for giving you a break, give us one. Calling players who's careers are derailed by injury "clunkers" is just ridiculous.
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Williams was injured even before he got to camp. McKenzie had the same thing happen.

McKenzie and Tate will get next season to show what they can do unless they absolutely stink on ice.

There is a large chunk of this fan base that really needs to go root for a team like the Bengals, so that they can learn to appreciate what they have here. No team hits on every pick.
Amen to that.

The FO has had some major misses, no doubt about it. But they've also had a lot of successes. And the early look at the class of 2009 suggests it may be our best overall draft yet. There's no reason to give up on people without taking a good look at them and giving them a chance. How long did James Harrison sit on the Steeler's roster before becoming an impact player?
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Why in the world? Were you surpised when Garrett Mills got cut in 2007? The recent history of young Patriots injured early in their Patriot careers is not a good one.
Tate was injured LONG before his career with the Patriots started. The Patriots selected him knowing that.

Mills was cut in an effort to get him on the practice squad. BB was pissed when the Vikings claimed him and claimed the Vikings' David Herron for a week as retribution. Do you remember that?
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Of course McKenzie and Tate will be judged on their own merits next year, but the history of injured rookies in recent Patriots history is not a happy one. Mills, Williams, Womack, for example, never rebounded from their injuries despite much optimism from the local fan base. Gimme a break.
Gimme a break. Womack was a late 7th rounder (237th overall), Williams blew out his knee and was never the same player, and BB wanted to keep Mills but didn't have the space on the 53 and lost him on a waiver claim by Minnesota.

The Pats knew Tate was hurt when they drafter him, in fact that's the only reason he was available in the 3rd round. McKenzie blew out his knee, but from the reports we've seen, he should be able to rebound.

The problem isn't that the Patriots draft busts, every team does. The problem is that some people refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of draft picks in ANY round don't pan out.
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