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Deus Irae · 07-01-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by State

Look at Jon Beason. Slow, redflag forty at the combine, 4.77.

Undersized at 6'0", 237. How's he been doing? Jon Beason - Carolina Panthers He's a freakin' beast.

More productive than the other Hurricane drafted 2007 on the defensive side, Brandon Merriweather? Yep. Mike Reiss thinks so, too. Ask Reiss: What's in your fave five?

Sometimes the "system" has to make way for the players, even when they don't fit the prototype.

There was a time people believed the immobile, pocket passer like Brady was an obsolete facet of the game. Michael Vick was the NFL's future.

The game's played by the players, not the calculators.

Hmmm......

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He's got the height, weight, and certainly the speed Belichick is looking for.

***TriplecHamp*** · 07-01-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by State

Look at Jon Beason. Slow, redflag forty at the combine, 4.77.

Undersized at 6'0", 237. How's he been doing? Jon Beason - Carolina Panthers He's a freakin' beast.

More productive than the other Hurricane drafted 2007 on the defensive side, Brandon Merriweather? Yep. Mike Reiss thinks so, too. Ask Reiss: What's in your fave five?

Sometimes the "system" has to make way for the players, even when they don't fit the prototype.

There was a time people believed the immobile, pocket passer like Brady was an obsolete facet of the game. Michael Vick was the NFL's future.

The game's played by the players, not the calculators.

OMFG!!! Ive been trying to say this for the past 4 months and nobody gets it. All I hear is "This player is to dumb to play for us." when they cant think of a good excuse for why they dont want a player on the team. If you have an athlete you try and do everything you can to help him succeed. I wanted E.Brown and I think we should have drafted him but its over and we have Brace now. I like how we draft players for our system but call me crazy but I think it needs some more athletes (we havnt won a superbowl in the last 4 seasons.)I am happy with our draft for the most part but we will never know until 2-3 years down the line on who we should and shouldnt have picked. We have a system that works but we need some better players to run the system.

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-01-2009, 07:25 PM

You know why people are arguing that he doesn't have the prototypical attributes that Belichick looks for? Because you started this thread by stating that he did have those attributes. And, as usual, you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about.

PatsBoy12 · 07-01-2009, 07:26 PM

State, would you stop with the f*cking OLB threads already. We get it, you're not happy with it. Oh well. We've got what we've got. I reckon that it's probably not even worth all the attention you think it's worth. I hardly think that we're going to sink or swim with who is playing OLB this season.

Why stop here. Why didn't we draft Ware? Why didn't we draft Peppers? Why didn't we draft Matthews? Why didn't we draft Maualuga? Why didn't we draft Maybin? Why didn't we draft Barwin? Who knows? One could go on and on, but BB obviously didn't see the right reason(s). If I had to choose between your judgment or his, well . . . I'll take the guy who is considered to be one of the greatest coaches of all-time.

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-01-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplecHamp

(we havnt won a superbowl in the last 4 seasons.)

Yeah, seriously, what the **** is up with that? How dare we go four entire seasons without winning a super bowl?? Unacceptable.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 07-01-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JR4

Why didn't we draft Everette Brown?

Maybe because WE don't make the decisions.

Post of the day.

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? · 07-01-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplecHamp

OMFG!!! Ive been trying to say this for the past 4 months and nobody gets it. All I hear is "This player is to dumb to play for us." when they cant think of a good excuse for why they dont want a player on the team. If you have an athlete you try and do everything you can to help him succeed. I wanted E.Brown and I think we should have drafted him but its over and we have Brace now. I like how we draft players for our system but call me crazy but I think it needs some more athletes (we havnt won a superbowl in the last 4 seasons.)I am happy with our draft for the most part but we will never know until 2-3 years down the line on who we should and shouldnt have picked. We have a system that works but we need some better players to run the system.

Bro! What up? I'm right there with you. I think BB has been pretty picky when it comes to drafting LB's. It seems like he expects every prospect to be 6-4 250 pounds and knows football like the back of his hand. Hate to break it to BB, but that LB probably isn't going to walking through that door anytime soon.

And your right on about adapting to what is available instead of holding out for what you think will be available. In fact, the most recent "prototypical" OLB's coming out of the draft were Ware and Merriman in '05. If you are having a problem finding LB's to fit your defense, don't think it's time to adapt to the player instead? If not, you will become insane. According to some people on this board, Dick LeBeau "dumbs down his system", giving his players less responsibilities which allows them to succeed. If I'm BB, I take a page directly out of LeBeau's playbook and try to design a defense similar to his. This is a copycat league, but BB obviously thinks his system is better than anyone else's.

***TriplecHamp*** · 07-01-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Yeah, seriously, what the **** is up with that? How dare we go four entire seasons without winning a super bowl?? Unacceptable.

Yeah haha right WTF is up with that. Hmmm I guess we have some work to do instead of talking about teams of the decade and whos better Manning or Brady. Seriously who gives two F**ks whos better all I care about is if my favorite team wins the SB. Something that the steelers have done twice since our last one. Oh what a coincidence the last four teams two win the SB all had great pass rushers....Steelers-Porter/Harrison, Colts-Freeny/Mathis, Giants-Strahan/Osi/Tuck, Steelers-Harrison/Woodley,???Patriots-AD/Willy Whistle Dick...Yeah I think not. Face it, since the Decade turned over the Steelers have been "The Team".

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? · 07-01-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplecHamp

Steelers-Porter/Harrison, Colts-Freeny/Mathis, Giants-Strahan/Osi/Tuck, Steelers-Harrison/Woodley,???Patriots-AD/Willy Whistle Dick...

That was pretty damn funny.

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-01-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TriplecHamp

Yeah haha right WTF is up with that. Hmmm I guess we have some work to do instead of talking about teams of the decade and whos better Manning or Brady. Seriously who gives two F**ks whos better all I care about is if my favorite team wins the SB. Something that the steelers have done twice since our last one. Oh what a coincidence the last four teams two win the SB all had great pass rushers....Steelers-Porter/Harrison, Colts-Freeny/Mathis, Giants-Strahan/Osi/Tuck, Steelers-Harrison/Woodley,???Patriots-AD/Willy Whistle Dick...Yeah I think not. Face it, since the Decade turned over the Steelers have been "The Team".

Since the decade turned over, we've won 3 SBs, set a ton of records, had the longest winning streak in history (twice), and more. Dunno wtf you're smoking, but you have no idea what you're talking about. BTW, my whole point is that none of us have any idea if Crable or Woods can bring it as a pass rusher. Woodley is a second-year player. At the start of the 2007 season, Tuck was a third-year guy who had 40 career solo tackles. James Harrison, before he became the DPOY, was an UDFA who bounced around the league for years.

I think we all agree that the Pats need to be able to rush the passer. The difference is that you live in some fairy tale where we can just sign all-world players at every position, and where we never need an unproven young guy to step up and prove his worth. All of those pass-rushing tandems had that happen, and now the Pats need it too.

If you were a Steelers fan, you would have been over on the board this past offseason freaking out over how the Steelers should have re-signed Joey Porter in 2006, rather than trust their pass rush to some second-year player with only 4 career sacks (Woodley).

If anything, the Giants and Steelers are case in point: to develop a strong pass rush, you need to have room for your Crables and Woods's to step up and prove their worth. We're going to see Meriweather, Mayo, Seymour, and Thomas all getting after the QB this year, and if some combination of TBC/Crable/Woods produces meaningful results alongside them, then we have the potential to develop a scary-good pass rush.