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Deus Irae · 06-28-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsBoy12

That's so faulty. Someone can be regarded as the best at the position, but there can simply be someone playing better than said player at the time of voting. It's all subjective. The point that I was making is that there was a period of 3-4 years where he was widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, cornerbacks in the game.

And the point I was making was that I could see the argument for 2 seasons, since he had been named to the first team All Pro. However, since that was for only 2 years and not 3 or 4, I pointed out that I'd still need evidence. As in for a different year or 2.

Also, you didn't make the claim that "he was widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, cornerbacks in the game.", you stated "There was a period of 3-4 years where he was regarded as the best in the game by people outside of this board. ". There is a difference between those two statements, particularly given that your argument was in the context of comparing Law to Bailey.

PatsBoy12 · 06-28-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

And the point I was making was that I could see the argument for 2 seasons, since he had been named to the first team All Pro. However, since that was for only 2 years and not 3 or 4, I pointed out that I'd still need evidence. As in for a different year or 2.

Also, you didn't make the claim that "he was widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, cornerbacks in the game.", you stated "There was a period of 3-4 years where he was regarded as the best in the game by people outside of this board. ". There is a difference between those two statements, particularly given that your argument was in the context of comparing Law to Bailey.

I don't even care anymore what was said. Like I said, I made my peace with the subject a few posts back and it's dead as far as I'm concerned. I feel he should be there, but the people who made the list did not. Oh well. The earth keeps spinning. You're welcomed to keep going with it if you would like, but I'm done. Peace, sir.

***Patjew*** · 06-28-2009, 11:32 PM

I think it just comes down to consistency and longevity.

eagle eye · 06-29-2009, 02:04 AM

Career 196 829 694 135 168 5.0 7 0 52 791 7
Career 150 671 600 71 153 2.0 7 0 43 428 4
G T S Ast PD sack ff rec int yds td

First one is Ty Law and second line is Champ Bailey. Now Bailey has only had ten seasons and Ty has racked up 14 at this stage. Ok Ty has lots more games but he is ahead in each category lifetime with the exception of FFs. Will Champ last another three seasons to catch up on him? He can pass him in solos if he completes another two seasons at a decent level but he won't pass him in overall tackles. He would need two seasons to pass him in PD's also and I don't think he will catch him in INTs, and Ty is miles ahead in yardage.

Ty was ahead of Champ on total tackles for the first four years of this decade. Champ was ahead in passes deflected in three of them four years but Ty was ahead two years and level one year in interceptions. The fact that Champ is a younger guy is in his favour no doubt as he has been more consistent over the last couple of years but Ty really was the master in the early part of the decade. I'll give Champ the years 04, 06 and 07 and he wins 08 but it was a bad year for both with Champ only managing 9 games and Ty even worse with only 7.

So I'm giving those four season to Ty Law and I'll give them a tie in 2005. So really there is nothing between them over the decade.

***TruthSeeker*** · 06-29-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle eye

Career 196 829 694 135 168 5.0 7 0 52 791 7
Career 150 671 600 71 153 2.0 7 0 43 428 4
G T S Ast PD sack ff rec int yds td

First one is Ty Law and second line is Champ Bailey. Now Bailey has only had ten seasons and Ty has racked up 14 at this stage. Ok Ty has lots more games but he is ahead in each category lifetime with the exception of FFs. Will Champ last another three seasons to catch up on him? He can pass him in solos if he completes another two seasons at a decent level but he won't pass him in overall tackles. He would need two seasons to pass him in PD's also and I don't think he will catch him in INTs, and Ty is miles ahead in yardage.

Ty was ahead of Champ on total tackles for the first four years of this decade. Champ was ahead in passes deflected in three of them four years but Ty was ahead two years and level one year in interceptions. The fact that Champ is a younger guy is in his favour no doubt as he has been more consistent over the last couple of years but Ty really was the master in the early part of the decade. I'll give Champ the years 04, 06 and 07 and he wins 08 but it was a bad year for both with Champ only managing 9 games and Ty even worse with only 7.

So I'm giving those four season to Ty Law and I'll give them a tie in 2005. So really there is nothing between them over the decade.

I would suggest that cornerback is one of the most difficult positions to judge based on stats. I remember reading an article a few years ago discussing cornerback stats that made a strong case that having less tackles credited to a cornerback is a positive stat and that cornerbacks that have more tackles have a negative.

What it boils down to is that stats themselves only tell you so much and that cornerback stats in particular can be very hard to interpret. I trust observation (even by biased and flawed human beings) more than I do stats when dealing with cornerback evaluation.