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***Lloyd_Christmas*** · 07-03-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Your argument is terrible. Everybody in defense of BB says the same thing. First, he coached the Giants. I'm not talking about the Giants, I'm talking about the Patriots. Also, was BB in charge of drafting guys like Harry Carson, Carl Banks and Lawrence Taylor? If he wasn't, it makes your argument even worse. Second, "But he's won 3 super bowls with older unheralded LB's". Thanks for the great insight.

Since 2005, their LB's have been regressing and BB has drafted 2 LB's in the first 3 rounds since. Mayo is a good start but Crable is a question mark. Even any moron on the street can tell you that the LB's are what makes the 3-4 go. For a team that has had the least amount of holes on their roster since 2004, it should've have been a cake walk to replace their LB's.

You talk as if making sure our LB corps is tops is the #1 priority of the team....

It isn't!

BB has to field an entire team, included having depth as we are hit by injuries every year. He also is limited by the salary cap. The Steelers don't have the best QB in the league, nor do they have to pay for one. The Steelers don't have the WRs we have either. I am very confident that a Brady led Patriots team last year would have won the SB, not the Steelers.

***DaBruinz*** · 07-03-2009, 10:56 AM

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You're starting to confuse me. I'm going to make this simple for you. Because I think BB has not done a good job drafting LB/DB from 2001-2007, has caused them to eventually lose big games because of a lack of talent and depth at the position.

So, now you backtrack again. If you are getting confused, its because you can't follow your own posts.

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Sorry dude, I told you it was just one example. Do you really expect me to go through every game and show you when exactly Hobbs has falls down? Healthy or not, Hobbs isn't a starting corner in the NFL. He gave up too many big plays and drew too many penalties at critical times. I'm glad he's gone.
You're right, Samuel f***** up too, I'm not letting him off the hook either. He let a fourth string WR beat him for a touchdown which was pathetic. Also, Sanders and Samuel just watched Tyree when in fact they could have easily helped Harrison break up "the catch".

Hobbs was called on more BS penalties than anyone I've ever seen in the league. Penalties that every other CB got away with.

Tyree wasn't in Sanders area of coverage.. So, yes, he "watched Tyree jump up and get it." Samuel, on the other hand, was the person in man coverage on that play.

BTW, Hobbs has been a starting CB in this league. You saying otherwise is just sheer dumbness.

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Yes, you already said this. I know they gave up cushions but they were able to jam when it was called for. The new group of DB's consisting of Samuel, Hobbs, Gay and whoever else couldn't jam if their life depended on it.

I reiterated the point because they gave the cushion a lot more than you'd have everyone believe.

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How am I wrong about Bradley? They had almost the entire third round to trade up for him but probably waited until it was too late. There were plenty of trade ups in that round. If the Pats wanted him that badly, they could've reached for him.

How were you wrong about Bradley? Gee. You had the year wrong that he was drafted. While you are correct that the Pats 3rd round pick was at the end of the 3rd round, you are incorrect in the assumption that they had the entire 3rd round to try and make a trade. They didn't. They began trying to move up with San Fran who had the 12th pick. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get a deal done because of the run on WRs and because they didn't have what others wanted for the pick.

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Because I haven't criticized anything? You completely lost me there. I'm the one on a tantrum? I'm just having fun with this back and forth talk with you and whoever else wants to throw down about how the Pats have stud's at LB. I haven't called anybody on this message board names nor have I called anyone in the Pats front office names.

I love your lack of reading comprehension. No. You haven't criticized anything. What you did was make BS, unfounded remarks. That's not criticizing. Also, no one has said that the Pats have "studs" at LB. And, yes, you have said that BB basically sucks.

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

I think BB could do better, while you are satisfied with BB. Why don't we just leave at that?

I never said I was "satisfied with BB." However, unlike yourself, I understand that the draft doesn't happen in a vacuum and that there are a lot more factors that go into drafting players than just their physical attributes. I also understand that, when it comes to trading for a player, that two teams are required and both teams have to be satisfied with the trade or it doesn't go thrtough. And a lot of that depends on the perceived value as well as whether the team believes their person will still be on the board if they move back..

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? · 07-03-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

So, now you backtrack again. If you are getting confused, its because you can't follow your own posts.

I think I know my own argument. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

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Hobbs was called on more BS penalties than anyone I've ever seen in the league. Penalties that every other CB got away with. BTW, Hobbs has been a starting CB in this league. You saying otherwise is just sheer dumbness.

You obviously didn't understand what I said about Hobbs. Yes, he's started for the Pats at CB since mid-late '05. What I meant by "he's not a starting CB in the NFL" was he's not good enough to be a starting CB in the NFL. That is just one of the reasons why the Pats shipped him off for nothing to the Eagles. I'm glad he's gone and you will see a big difference in the secondary this season.

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Tyree wasn't in Sanders area of coverage.. So, yes, he "watched Tyree jump up and get it." Samuel, on the other hand, was the person in man coverage on that play.

For whatever reason, Samuel took the play off. Although it wasn't Sanders "area of coverage", he had enough time to go over there and help break up the pass. That play took so long that Sanders, Samuel and Harrison should have been there for the jump ball. You can take a look at the play if you want (4:51) NFL Game Center: Post Game - New York Giants at New England Patriots - 2007 Super Bowl but I couldn't understand what the hell Samuel was doing guarding the sideline with nobody there. I'm glad he's gone.

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How were you wrong about Bradley? Gee. You had the year wrong that he was drafted. While you are correct that the Pats 3rd round pick was at the end of the 3rd round, you are incorrect in the assumption that they had the entire 3rd round to try and make a trade. They didn't. They began trying to move up with San Fran who had the 12th pick. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get a deal done because of the run on WRs and because they didn't have what others wanted for the pick.

I know he was drafted in 2007, I just misread your 2004-2006 rant and assumed you were including Bradley.

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I love your lack of reading comprehension. No. You haven't criticized anything. What you did was make BS, unfounded remarks. That's not criticizing. Also, no one has said that the Pats have "studs" at LB. And, yes, you have said that BB basically sucks.

Me saying that BB's lack of improving an aging and slow LB group has caused the defense to lose games. If that is not criticizing, I don't know what is.

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I never said I was "satisfied with BB." However, unlike yourself, I understand that the draft doesn't happen in a vacuum and that there are a lot more factors that go into drafting players than just their physical attributes. I also understand that, when it comes to trading for a player, that two teams are required and both teams have to be satisfied with the trade or it doesn't go thrtough. And a lot of that depends on the perceived value as well as whether the team believes their person will still be on the board if they move back..

Whether you think your right and I'm wrong, is completely pointless at this point. In 2009, the LB's and the rest of the defense will do the talking for us. As I have said in other threads, since the Pats look like they can't improve what they have at LB, I'm willing to give whoever starts a chance.

captain stone · 07-03-2009, 02:52 PM

Hey Bro & State: don't let the lemmings get you down. There are still some of us here who can see that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

MVPatsfan13 · 07-03-2009, 06:00 PM

hahaha, somebody named captain stone throws out a Jack Herer reference...that stuff sure is tasty

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-03-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

You're starting to confuse me. I'm going to make this simple for you. Because I think BB has not done a good job drafting LB/DB from 2001-2007, has caused them to eventually lose big games because of a lack of talent and depth at the position.

What an ignorant and wrong point. So Asante Samuel, Eugene Wilson, Randall Gay, Ellis Hobbs, and Jerod Mayo were bad picks? Or did you conveniently stop at 2007 so that you could leave the DROY out of it?

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Sorry dude, I told you it was just one example. Do you really expect me to go through every game and show you when exactly Hobbs has falls down? Healthy or not, Hobbs isn't a starting corner in the NFL. He gave up too many big plays and drew too many penalties at critical times. I'm glad he's gone.
You're right, Samuel f***** up too, I'm not letting him off the hook either. He let a fourth string WR beat him for a touchdown which was pathetic. Also, Sanders and Samuel just watched Tyree when in fact they could have easily helped Harrison break up "the catch".

Anecdotal evidence is crap, especially when it's coming from a memory that's as obviously spotty as yours is. If you're that inclined to base entire careers on one play, then Brady must suck too. He's made some really bad plays in his time.

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Yes, you already said this. I know they gave up cushions but they were able to jam when it was called for. The new group of DB's consisting of Samuel, Hobbs, Gay and whoever else couldn't jam if their life depended on it.

Yeah, Samuel and Gay totally sucked. We only won a SB with them starting at CB.

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-03-2009, 08:02 PM

I have an idea. Why don't the mods just give Bro, State, captain stone, and a few others their own forum where they can post all day about how Belichick isn't good enough, and the rest of us can more easily ignore the crap that they're posting.

PatsBoy12 · 07-03-2009, 08:22 PM

I really can't believe this is still going on. Really? Wow. HBWU is really not giving in.lol

***DaBruinz*** · 07-03-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by captain stone

Hey Bro & State: don't let the lemmings get you down. There are still some of us here who can see that the Emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

I love how you call other people lemmings because, god forbid, we actually use our brain to think when we post.

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-03-2009, 10:10 PM

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Isn't Pierre Woods the guy who gave up the SB fumble recovery to a tiny RB? The guy has no heart. No eye of the tiger look in his eye for that to occur. Pathetic.

Well there it is. You base your entire perception of a player on one play. Then start two threads based on that shallow, incorrect, and pointless perception, and carry your borderline-obsessive fixation on the guy into every other thread you find your way over to. The act's wearing thin, and you've never had a leg to stand on. Grow up.