Miguel

Brady, Seymour, Koppen, Light, and Warren have to disagree

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bagwell368

Wait. Miguel's page lists 2009 Cap Hits. Vrabel is listed as $1,036,000.00 - meaning that of $128,884,466 which is the current adjusted cap, that money is unusable. There is a total of $2,235,721.00 (1.72% of the Pats cap) all together can not be used for other contracts in 2009.

We can't just cut guys constantly and not run up against it. Obvious the current 1.72% is not a big deal, but throw in $2.9M for Green, $800k for Neal, $1.8M for Sanders, $600k for Galloway, $750k for Morris, $667 for Wheatley, $526k for Watson, $600k for Bruschi then at some point it could get to be a big deal.

Obviously we will make cuts balanced between value provided and costs. But it can't go forever, and it isn't of no importance. AT for instance carries a $13.2M hit for '09 if he is traded. So that's highly unlikely to happen, even if we get 3 #1's back.

The_Riddler

I think Seymour should donate a major portion of his over-payed salary over the last 4 years to Big Vince, that will even out the pay/production ratio per player scale................

Miguel

I consider it a 4-year deal because Seymour got the signing bonus money in 2006 AND the Patriots were able to prorate it over 4 years.

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Deus Irae

Not at all. Mgteich said it could be done, I said it couldn't. You just wanted me to give Wilfork a contract when I had no idea what he was asking for at the time. You'll notice that Mgteich pointed to other moves needing to be made to make it happen. That was my point all along. From reading what he's said on this thread, it seems that he was actually thinking the same that I was, but he worded it differently. The Patriots do NOT have enough cap room to be signing the key players. In order to get that room, moves would need to be made (Jarvis Green getting cut, etc....).

If they make no other moves between now and the beginning of the season, they are o.k. for this year and in a pretty precarious position for next year (Bidding wars and overpaid players or a significant talent dropoff). If they want to give Wilfork that extension and toss him a $25 million dollar signing bonus, sign players like Mankins, Seymour, Neal et al., or bring in a high priced player like Burress this season, they are not ok.

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APatrioticVirginian

I agree thats why those teams suck. Like Bill Gates said I didnt get rich writing checks

bigjon7501

crap i dont wanna lose big daddy v. i love this man!

Synovia

You're totally missing the point, and Vrabel is actually a good example. The 1M cap hit was on the books whether or not Vrabel stays, which is why its irrelevant to the decision making process. That money was lost the second they signed the contract a couple years back. The decision is made based on the money that is still avoidable, in most cases, the actual salary.


NO, IT DOESN'T. You are paying that money whether or not the player is on the team. ITS ALREADY GONE. Whether or not you cut bruschi makes no difference on that 600K. ITS GONE. His salary is all that matters. The decision to pay those monies was made when the contracts were signed.


you really need to learn about "sunk cost"

From Wiki:

condon84

The point of my original post was that I doubt the Pats will break from their MO and resign one of their players, who they value at a certain salary, a reasonably higher salary that the player wants or what he can command in the open market. Look at all the players the Pats have resigned, most of them took a discount. The players that have wanted more have left. Now, Wilfork and the Pats may agree on a contract, but I commented on the discussion that Wilfork wanted Seymour type of money, the Pats are balking, and that's the reason why there hasn't been much of a negotiation. This was my post:

More than likely, the Pats are going to stick to their guns and not overpay, based on the history of the Belichick era. Which could mean that Wilfork might be on the move. Thus my comment about "everyone is replaceable." Whether this will result in a SB victory, who knows.

Now, what Don took from my original post was me saying, "hey let's replace Brady, Moss, and Welker because everyone's replaceable!" To me, that's asinine. I understand if you're a 6 year old kid you might have that type of comprehension, but he's not a 6 year old kid.

Synovia

Like who? Brady makes $15M a year. Seymour didn't. He was the highest paid DL in the NFL for a bit. Moss is making $10M a year. Ty Warren still had two years left on his rookie contract, so of course hes going to get less than market.