Absurdly Metro

So I'm talking to a friend today about the Cassel situation and his argument is more of the same old same old about the "wisdom" of keeping Cassel as insurance against Brady not being 100% next fall. I then bring up SB 42 and Brady not being 100% for that game and ask him if, in hindsight, he thinks Cassel would have given us a better chance at victory that day than a hobbled Brady against the NY front seven.

To his credit he qualified his answer by admitting that the 2007 Matt Cassel would not have given us a better chance to win. Then he says, "But the Matt Cassel we saw at the end of this season would definitely have given the Pats a better shot to win."

My question to Pats fans (and especially to the "Pats should not trade Cassel crowd") is simply this; Do you agree?

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We going to take it one game at a time

stinkypete

I agree.

I also think the Patriots would have had a better chance with Curtis Martin at RB, or if Mike Haynes at CB. Also, having John Hannah available to fill in for the injured Neal would have done the offensive line wonders. I would have loved to have Jerrod Mayo spelling Bruschi and Seau inside too.

Moot point.

Box_O_Rocks

Different team, Cassdawg gave this team every chance to make it to SB 43 - the kid done good. The question now is team building for a run at SB 44, if the NFL chooses to devalue Cassel as a QB then NE signs him to a long term contract and goes the Montana/Young route.

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Absurdly Metro

So I take it nobody here actually talks sports with their friends then huh? What are we a bunch of Vulcans on this board? Too logical to consider a good argument?

Of course we could play the what if game all day with any players for the past, present, or future. That's not the point. My point in posting it was to see if my buddy's lofty opinion of Cassel's current ability and value is shared by the other "don't trade Cassel" fans I've been reading on this board.

His argument was that Cassel's mobility would have neutralized the Giants pass rush where Brady being hobbled played right into their strength.

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Deus Irae

That mobility didn't help him get the job done against the Steelers, where he was sacked 5 times, ran twice for 1 total yard and threw 2 picks. I think you can point that out to him, and that might make him think again.

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JSn

2008 vs Steelers and SB 42 had one thing in common - Matt Light meets Burnination.

There was more to that SB loss than QB play, for sure. Defense and O-Line collectively sucked that day. Brady gave us a better chance.

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Deus Irae

The Giants loss was on the guards and center, not the tackles. That's part of the reason that Cassel would have been useless. It's tough to run under the tackles and up the middle when Mankins is spending the day getting destroyed by everyone the Giants put up against him.

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Patjew

Correct. Neal going out and Mankins deciding to have the worst day of his life spelled doom. There was no time for anyone to run away from that rush.

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Absurdly Metro

I agree. I don't think it would help though. He just thinks that Brady/Cassel = Montana/Young and no amount of sense can talk him out of it. He sees the franchise tag as BB's admission of this opinion. I think he, and others who think this way, are seriously overestimating MC and will be greatly disappointed when he's traded for picks to the Chiefs or Vikings next month.

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