Metaphors

Wasn't evaluating them. Comparing their situations:

• 1st year starter, relative unknown before
• Exceeds expectations
• Leads team to successful year (brink of the playoffs)
• Team has to deal with 2 quarterback situation

It was rumored that the Vikings were offering up their 1st pick or a package (2nd and 3rd?) for Anderson. The Browns didn't bite and now have a highly paid backup that they would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for. Instead the Vikings took their 1st pick and got Jared Allen. So in the 2008 offseason, it was not out of the question to place the value of Jared Allen on par with Derek Anderson. Now Anderson wouldn't even get you Jared from Subway.

Not saying that Cassel and Anderson are the same value...just saying that current value placed on Cassel is temporary. There is no guarantee that the value will stay there over time...remember Cassel was generally considered a bum as recently as 5 months ago! One pick-six in the preseason or a sore arm during training camp and you can kiss that 1st round pick goodbye.

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Miguel

Why would a player sign such an extension??

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ctpatsfan77

IIRC, though, if the Pats were to let him enter free agency without franchising him, and he didn't sign until August (for whatever reason), the Pats wouldn't get a comp pick, even if he signed for $20M/yr.

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JSn

Quit griping. This thread isn't even a trade Brady thread. Not in premise, anyway. It's looking at ways to investigate the future at QB with minimal risk.

Your additions to most of these discussion are "this thread is stupid". Seriously, bring more to the table or stick discussions that don't make you feel queasy.

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Miguel

That's just a different application of the same rule.

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TheGodInAGreyHoodie

I can think of a few reason.....

To avoid being traded.

Because he would like to come off the PUP week 6 to be the starting QB of a team that is 5-1, instead of 1-5.

Because the deal includes a promise that Cassel will be tagged for one year and not sign a 6 year deal with the Pats.

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Miguel

I am pretty sure that since Brady will be on the Patriots roster Day 1 of the 2009 league year that he will be due a $3 million roster bonus on February 27 making trading him any pretty expensive proposition. The only way for the Pats to avoid paying Brady that roster bonus is to release him before that day.

As if Brady would be worried about Cassel beating him out in a competition.

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The presumption is that Brady is not expected to be ready for camp.

1) No, we can't afford to keep Cassel on the roster for the 2009 season. It will not be possible to extend important pieces, and players would be need to cut and restructured to accomodate the cap needs for rookies and other needs after the 51 rule no longer applies.

2) "Whichever one is traded" and this is NOT a trade Brady thread? There will be few takers for a Brady so injured that the patriots don't want to keep him or for a backup QB signed to a one-year $14M contract (and he is only considered signed after the draft, since he will have no reason to sign until then).

3) Belichick does indeed need to deal with possibility of Brady not being able to play for part of games or for several games. This roster spot is called "#2 QB". You may be believe that a #2 QB is worth $14M. I think that is silly at best.

4) The patriots will work with Cassel and his agent(s) to work out a deal with a team other than the jets. The deal will be worked out and executed within the first two weeks of free agency, possibly before. Then, we can move on. That is my prediction.
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Is this thread and most of its ideas "stupid"? It doesn't really matter. There is no reason to bar and expect to not see much stupidity/misinformation/ignorance or whatever the PC word is these days. This is the offseason. There are no games for many months. However, IMHO, the idea of Brady passing up his bonus, extending his contract for little or no extra money, all so that Cassel can be signed for $14M, is beyond words. The idea that we can have a SB quality team, a better team than in 2008, and pay $14M for a backup QB is simply misinformed.

Deus Irae

You'll notice that I didn't post until after someone had posted about cutting ties to Brady.


Here's what's going to happen:

Brady stays or
Brady goes

Cassel stays or
Cassel goes

If Brady stays and Cassel stays, there's nothing to talk about other than which week Brady will be starting and what Cassel's contract implies for the future, and we currently have no info on either question, but we have threads on them anyway.

If Brady goes and Cassel stays OR goes, there's a thread for that specifically set up by Ian, because he's not getting cut, so it would have to occur via trade.

That leaves only Cassel Goes and Brady Stays. Those threads can be found on the board without involving the "trade brady" scenario.

The mods have been lightning fast to move game threads from playoff games, despite their being topical and this being the offseason for the Patriots. If they are going to be that fast to react to those threads, they should be putting the "Trade Brady" threads together immediately too.

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Seneschal2

I share the view of many here, in that Cassel will make a clean departure from the Pats. And just in case Brady isn't healed and O'Connell isn't ready to step in, a veteran QB will be signed on the cheap (as insurance).

Where I may differ from some, is my confidence that O'Connell will be ready. Unlike the defense, IMO there will be few changes on offense, and they'll be ready as a unit to support the QB. The new OC and QB coach will certainly have an effect on O'Connell's development.

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