DisgruntledTunaFan

Just curious-after a hot start in the '97 season(and then repeating as AFCE Champs despite struggling a bit in the end), how did this team slowly fold over his 3 year tenure?

Did he have a "players coach" mentality style like Wade Phillips? Was his coaching staff subpar? Was there player personnel turnover where certain players that were intigral parts of this team were let go b/c Carroll insisted so, and the team suffered? Did Carroll have a soft approach?

The reason why I'm asking is b/c it seems like when Parcells leaves his teams, they get into shambles for a good few years. For example, after he bolted the Giants unexpectedly, it left them with Ray Handley as their only emergency option, and he lost the Giants locker room almost immediately(tons of in-fighting and finger pointing happened during his 2 years there).

When Parcells left the Jets(and acted like this was his swan song retirement), he left them salary cap-strapped, and then Al Grogh quit after a year when they went from SB contenders in Dec to not making the playoffs, and then Herman Edwards proved how much of a joke he was after a first couple of good seasons. They have yet to recover since.

Of course-you've seen the circus re-emerge at Valley Ranch since Parcells left Dallas unexpectedly.

Lifer

ever take a look at the 3 year record of Bobby Griers drafts? hideous. Only Kevin Faulk and Damien Woody made a significant impact.

the revisionists who are suddenly bashing the drafting jobs done by Belichick and Pioli might want to remember this.

RayClay

In my opinion, though Parcells was a jerk in the way he went about it, he was right to leave. Although Poodle Pete was kind of silly for the NFL, his biggest problem was the guy that drovr Parcells away, Bobby Grier.

He was a total incompetent as GM, and also undermined the coach, talking to the players behind his back. Pete had no authority (because Grier was Kraft's guy) and the worst bunch of draft picks I've ever seen, courtesy of Bobby G.

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patsox23

Soft, players coach after a hard-nosed, disciplined coach. Doesn't tend to work. I like Pete Carroll a great deal - if I had a son who could play college football, I would want him to play for a Carroll more than any other coach. As a Patriots fan, though, NO THANKS.

DisgruntledTunaFan

What a coincidence-here in Dallas, word was that Jerry was getting bored over Tuna's last 2 years here b/c with Parcells' system, it didn't allow him to gush himself into the media spotlight on a bi-daily basis. And not to mention too Parcells thrived with system guys, not star players.

Now that Parcells is gone, Jerry has done everything to undermine Wade...whether it's signing more thugs like Tank/Pacman, allowing the players to have access to HIM, and not the HC, and, of course, you prolly remember the report where it was JERRY who chewed out the team(and not Wade) after the humiliating Rams loss.

Parcells said something like, "Things won't be the same here" after he left.

jmt57

Grier was VP of Player Personnel from '97-'99; here's the first four rounds of those drafts:
'99: C Damien Woody, LB Andy Katzenmoyer, RB Kevin Faulk, S Tony George, CB J'Juan Cherry
Pats traded away their 1st, 3rd & 6th round draft pick to move up three slots to get Woody.
'98: RB Robert Edwards, S Tebucky Jonrs, WR Tony Simmons, TE Rob Rutledge, FB Chris Floyd, DE Greg Spires, DE Leonta Rheams
Edwards and Floyd were compensation for Curtis Martin; Simmons was compensation for Parcells.
'97: CB Chris Canty, DT Brandon Mitchell, RB Sedrick Shaw, S Chris Carter, G Damon Denson, T Ed Ellis
Shaw and Ellis were compensation for Parcells.

By comparison, here's the first four rounds of the previous three drafts:
'96: WR Terry Glenn, S Lawyer Milloy, LB Tedy Bruschi, OL Heath Irwin, DL Chris Sullivan, FB Kantroy Barber
Pats also traded away a draft pick for T Pat Harlow
'95: CB Ty Law, LB Ted Johnson, RB Curtis Martin, CB Jimmy Hitchcoock; C Dave Wohlabaugh
'94: LB Willie McGinest, WR Kevin Lee, DT Ernie Collier, C Joe Burch, TE John Burke

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Willie55

One of the problems was the players had a back staircase to Grier's office. If Carroll told the players something and didn't like it, they would go to Grier where he would overrule Carroll.

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Deus Irae

Carroll had more than one NFL head coaching opportunity. He's not, or at least he wasn't, really made to be an NFL head coach. His persona is better suited to the college game.

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ctpatsfan77

Wow. Res ipsa loquitur.

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Willie55

Ah Chris Canty - makes one tackle and forces a fumble, but low and behold, he didn't realize there was a fumble because he was busy dancy, ala Ellis Hobbs.

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