signbabybrady

Sure there are reasons to leave. But there are probably as many reasons to stay. The key to this discussion right now is there is no source to indicate what the article states (his leaving gaining steam) so I will go with my source on this and that is Pioli himself who has had options to leave and really good ones too (Seahawks) and has chose to stay before so unless there is something in the article that indicates he changed his mind since last time than I will believe he is staying.

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GoWhalers

Just food for thought...

Perhaps Dimitrioff took the Falcons job -- remember this was a *bad* team when he arrived -- because he saw no room for him to advance with the Patriots? Meaning that Pioli was sticking around for the long haul, so Dimitrioff had to look elsewhere for opportunities.

I would think if Pioli was getting antsy, Dimitrioff would have easily waited another year to get a crack at managing a Patriots squad with Brady and Moss.

TripleOption

Wow. I don't think a single thought you expressed there is either a) based on fact or b) correct. Nice.

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mgteich

So there is one legitimate source on Pioli possibly leaving, and that is Pioli. Only the FO knows what transactions are being considered with regard to the players, the offseason and the draft. Only the coaches can properly assess the play of the players.

So, why bother posting?

The site is for speculation. Of course no one can have a legitmate source except for Pioli.

What we can speculate about is whether it makes sense for Pioli to consider options, what those option might be, and how that might affect other decisionos (Josh and Matt).

Rob0729

First, I think it is harder for a team to stay on top like the Pats have year after year rather than go from the dregs of the league to one of the top teams. Every year it seems that there are a handful of teams that go from 6 or less wins to playoff teams. The question is whether Dimitroff or Parcells can maintain the success year after year. Sometimes, it is an one year bounce (the Browns last year for example). Only the Pats, Steelers, and Colts have consistently been Super Bowl contenders over the past decade or so while others come and go. It takes a lot of talent at the top to maintain that.

Second, Pioli may or may not be considering other opportunities. He may not though. His priorities may not be total control and all the limelight. He may want to be part of history here and try to win two or three more Super Bowls before the end of Belichick's and Brady's run. His family has grown roots here and he has kids in school. Maybe he rather not uproot his family. He also pretty much has a job for life in New England. Not so in any other situation unless he recreates the magic he has had here. Some of that is out of his control.

Third, I think Pioli is utilized as much as he would anywhere. He would have the same exact responsibilities he has here. He and Belichick are co decision makers here, but he is still solely responsible for the scouting, salary cap, and other GM responsibilities. The only difference is that Pioli would have final say, but from most indications Pioli and Belichick are usually on the same page with most personnel decisions and rarely does his decisions get overturned. Belichick never overrules him and forces his will on Pioli either. If they cannot agree on a player in the draft, they move to the next guy and it is a two way street.

Fourth, Pioli does have a perfect situation here. He has a partner in his head coach who he is totally in tune with. Pioli has no guarantees with his next coach even if he hires McDaniels. Mangini has shown that just because you learn at the foot of God doesn't mean you will perform like God when given the opportunity. Kraft is one of the best owners in terms of his working relationship with Belichick and Pioli. No guarantees he won't have an owner who gets meddlesome with a bad season or two.

Pioli could very well leave, but I don't think the situation is anywhere like you portray it. Pioli isn't sitting in his office twiddling his thumbs while Belichick does all the work. Belichick doesn't have the time to do GM responsibilities and all of them fall on Pioli. The only difference between here and anywhere else is that Pioli has co-final say and he would have final say somewhere else. Considering he and Belichick are of the same mind on most things, I don't see a huge difference.

Rob0729

The article implies that Pioli feels disrespected. Whether that is what they hear or it is shoddy writing. I think it is wrong. I seriously doubt Pioli feels disrespected. Pioli is a God in this part of the world. He has more Executive of the Year honors than any active GM.

billdog3484

Hopefully he stays. But, personally, I think I would want to be in a situation where I could get the most amount of money for my family. I think there are going to be a few teams who will be willing to throw a heck of a lot of money to Pioli. Kansas City is a very revered franchise and if he could become a major executive there, I think he probably would take it if the money was right.

Im hoping he stays, but I am not so optimisitic. I have always been shocked that he has stayed so long, and maybe he stays again. There really is no way of knowing at this point

fgssand

I think the experiences of moving all around that his wife, Dallas had following Bill Parcells all around is a huge factor in Pioli staying right here.

The family loves the area, stabilty and schools, if they turned down Seattle and all the money in the world a few years ago, I doubt KC is going to work.

Also, Pioli is a huge part of the success here and if all goes well, knowing he was part of NFL history, one of the keys to the making of the greatest dynasty of all time.

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Box_O_Rocks

The "only" aspect of this that has any logic is the timing of a potential triple departure: Pioli, McDaniels, Cassel.

It's reasonable to assume Pioli likes the challenge of maintaining a perennial championship contender. "But," should he decide to leave, he would almost certainly be going into a rebuilding situation, one that needs some new blood fast. Being able to package his move with two people at "key" positions in his new organization would be a hellah smaht way to jump start your new program. "If" Pioli were to make a move, this would be an "ideal" time.

For example: let's consider the package deal concept using the Kansas City example from the article:
- Pioli can coordinate with McDaniel and Cassel, with the three presenting a united front to KC. Hire Pioli, dump Herm and hire McDaniel, trade for Cassel. A fairly straightforward prospect.
- KC currently is looking at the #3 pick in the draft, a useful tool.
--- Pioli can arrange for NE to Franchise Cassel and trade him to KC for the #3 pick; this is the salary cap model where Pioli gets KC out from under a Top 5 rookie contract.
--- Another model would use first round equivalency: KC trades their 2nd rounder in 2009 and their 2nd rounder in 2010, the equivalent of a 2009 3rd rounder (remember Goodall's fine for NE was a 1st Rd pick "or" a 2nd and 3rd; 2 + 3 = 1 in NFL draft math); this let's Pioli grab a Top 5 prospect this season to help Cassel, or even trade down with someone and pick up extra picks like NE does most drafts. Pioli strengthens his new club, while leaving Bob Kraft and BB a little thank you present (I for one would be seriously psyched to have KC's #2 in this draft, with another #2 in 2010). It's a good value move by Pioli for his new club, and he might even get something back by trading Brody Croyle or Tyler Thigpen, either of whom would be decent trade bait for teams like Detroit, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Carolina...Pioli might even get his 2nd back.
- KC has a legit #1 WR and a TE who can fill the "Welker" chain mover role. Gaffney is UFA, sign him to give Mattyice some continuity and you have the nucleus of an excellent receiving corps. LJ should have at least one more good year to work with. KC drafted a Rd one LT last season, take Herm out of the equation and factor in McDaniels and Cassel, you immediately have a competitive offense.
- Now which former NE DC is on the hotseat as a HC this season? Okay both, but I'm thinking Romeo. Does anyone here seriously think Romeo gets another NFL HC shot? Here's a chance to rebuild his career and work with people who respect and trust him (nice change that would be for him - Phil Savage, sheesh!). KC's defense has some solid talent to work with, if Piolo could land Romeo and give him his head, KC would have a nasty D fairly quickly.
- KC has a solid ST's corps, hire a good ST's coach and your good.

"If" Pioli decides to move, this would set him up in a good situation. You also have to think that McDaniels and Cassel would both see the advantages to teaming up with Pioli for their next moves. The KC gig would be a serious win-win-win move for the threesome if they could make it together.

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Good point. This is what I thought when Dimitroff took the Atlanta job and how I feel today.

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