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Old 11-26-2008, 08:40 AM   #11
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Aren't we facing the possible end of the draft with no CBA in place?
Not until 2012; the CBA specifically mandates a draft for every year the contract runs, plus the first offseason after that (i.e., the salary cap ends in 2009, the CBA in 2010, the Draft--if nothing is done to extend it--in 2011).
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Aren't we facing the possible end of the draft with no CBA in place?
As much as we are facing the end of the NFL... Some CBA will be entered into one way or another or there won't be football as we know it come 2011-12...

The last scheduled draft is 2011 because drafts are only permissible under anti-trust exemptions if they are collectively bargained for.
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ESPN also provides a state-by-state breakdown, so we can actually get a better idea of what certain fan bases think.

Massachusetts 76%(!)
Minnesota 71%
Michigan 65%
Missouri 61%
Washington 58%
California 56%
North Carolina 56%
Illinois 54%
So let's look at these states (and ignore MA!). You've got the Vikings, Lions, Rams, Seahawks, 49ers (likely not the chargers), Panthers, and Bears as probable trading partners.

All of a sudden, $14m for the franchise tag doesn't look at all that bad. Because there are so many teams, the likelihood of offers from them being more than $14m guaranteed looks more and more likely.

Detroit as a trading partner would be awesome!

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I like detroit and also arizona, because of the abundance of WR talent on each team.
But I really think the Vikings would make a really hard push, even if Cassel doesnt become a top QB when he arrives, he is still good enough to take the vikings into the playoffs and help them contend in the NFC.
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I like detroit and also arizona, because of the abundance of WR talent on each team.
But I really think the Vikings would make a really hard push, even if Cassel doesnt become a top QB when he arrives, he is still good enough to take the vikings into the playoffs and help them contend in the NFC.
Put me down too...i think the Vikings would be fools not to make a serious run at Matt Cassel who has great ceiling. The Vikings have the best RB in the Game in AP add a Top flight WR and the Vikings would be contenders for years to come.
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I added teams and QB names to your list.

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ESPN also provides a state-by-state breakdown, so we can actually get a better idea of what certain fan bases think.

Massachusetts 76%(!) - Patriots
Minnesota 71% - Vikings
Michigan 65% - Lions
Missouri 61% - Rams
Washington 58% - Seahawks
California 56% - most likely SF
North Carolina 56% - Panthers
Illinois 54% - Bears
Florida 53% - Tampa Bay?
Tennessee 51% - Titans
Connecticut 51% - Patriots
Texas 49% - Texans?
Pennsylvania 47% - Eagles
Ohio 45% - Bengals
New York 42% - Jets

And then we get to the only five states <40%, i.e., DO NOT WANT territory. . . .
Wisconsin 40% - Rodgers
Georgia 40% - Ryan
Colorado 39% - Cutler
Indiana 38% - Manning
Louisiana 33% - Brees
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I guess they should also have "Would you want your team to go after Tom Brady" poll now.
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ESPN really inadvertently helped us out by doing that poll. Worst case scenario we franchise him. No way Cassel walks and we get nothing in return.
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I'd be great if we let the fan polls decide...although in some places I guess they do...

At the end of the day a QB drafted in the first is going to cost you your #1 (and maybe more if you're moving up for him) and anywhere from $45-65M in contract with upwards of $20M+ in guaranteed or signing bonus money. There will likely be options in the draft later in the first or second round, but the fact they will be there as opposed to top 10 is telling...and it's generally a crap shoot whether you can grab 'em once the draft starts unfolding.
Your cost estimates are really only valid for a top-11 pick (see Rothlesberger/Cutler for proximate rookie contracts for a #11 compared to a Quinn or Campbell for a late teen/early twenties QB contracts). But even chosing in the top 10 will produce a significant number of busts --- see Vince Young, Ryan Leaf etc. I think your argument is stronger if you take out the money and look at the risk/reward profile as the better argument is that Cassel or any other veteran coming off of their rookie contracts will have demonstrated an ability to play or not to play at NFL speeds with NFL complexities and disguises in effect instead of projection uncertainty from a college match-up to an NFL match-up.

That I think is where the risk/reward frontier lies, and not at the cost of signing a draft pick or even the opportunity cost of going QB versus other position in the draft.
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The results don't surprise me given the compensation needed for a franchised player. I can guarantee this poll will look a lot different if Cassel is an integral part in leading the Patriots to the Superbowl.
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