The Official Cassel vs Brady thread - Per Ian

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by BionicPatriot

Yup, but that's why Tom's season wasn't amazing, it was amazing for the team if anything. He just came in and led them to the top. Cassel would have his own story, it doesn't mean one is more impressive than the other.

This is not a knock on Tom so much as the FO folks leaguewide--remember that #12 had won the Orange Bowl a few months before the draft, setting passing records in the process. Moreover, he was a proven leader (the stupidity involving Drew Hensen notwithstanding).* Cassel, of course, didn't even have that--and yet the Patriots had enough confidence in him to draft him before he could succumb to the siren calls of Carson Palmer or Norm Chow.

*One of my all-time favorite sports putdowns--Ray Ventrone, in 2006, on Drew Hensen: "He's no Matt Cassel."

[Lifer]

Originally Posted by PATSYLICIOUS

His stats should be better, but it is still encouraging.

If you simply watch Cassel now as opposed to watching him in the first month, you'll notice as big as or bigger improvement than watching Brady towards the end of the 01 season compared to his first few starts. It's not something you can put in #'s but I think its pretty factual that Cassel has the ability to take us where Brady did in 2001. Question is will he get the same help from the Defense/ST and will his guys stop dropping easy catches in the clutch....

I dont think Cassel can, and guess what, Tom Brady couldnt either with this defense and special teams. Thats no knock on either QB. Brady didnt win the SB last year either. It takes more than a great QB, ask Dan Marino and John Elway,

this defense and ST are not reliable. They may be a 10-6 team with Cassel, they would be 12-4 at best with Brady. And with Brady they could not get past the Titans or Giants. No way, not with the holes on this team right now.

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Lifer

I dont think Cassel can, and guess what, Tom Brady couldnt either with this defense and special teams. Thats no knock on either QB. Brady didnt win the SB last year either. It takes more than a great QB, ask Dan Marino and John Elway,

this defense and ST are not reliable. They may be a 10-6 team with Cassel, they would be 12-4 at best with Brady. And with Brady they could not get past the Titans or Giants. No way, not with the holes on this team right now.

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by PATSYLICIOUS

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

20/20 hindsight, yada, yada, yada, but I can think of an example--I bet you that if it had been Brady under center on 4th-and-goal in the Colts game, Belichick doesn't waste the TO and send Gostkowski to kick.

[Lifer]

Originally Posted by PATSYLICIOUS

Right now they're not reliable, but alot can change in the next couple months.

Can't agree with the part about Brady not being able to take this team the distance. 99% of the time you'd be completely right when it comes to our D/ST, but with Brady never say never. That's the tough part about replacing Brady. If you look at our 4 losses you can't pin any on Cassel, but you still feel with Brady's mere presense we'd probably have won 2 of those games.

I keep coming back to 2007. Brady was there. They didnt win the Super Bowl because once again, when it mattered, the defense wasnt good enough.

Now, its 2008. Thomas is gone. Maroney is gone. the OL is beaten up. They would go deep into the AFC playoffs with Brady, but they just arent capable of beating the Giants or Titans.

In any case, Obviously i agree that there chances would be much better with Brady. But Brady doesnt tackle. In 2001,2003, and 2004 we won first with defense aided by great QB play. In 2006 and 2007 they fell short trying it the other way around.

[Garbanza]

Originally Posted by DaBruinz

This is Cassel's 4th year, but 1st having starter responsibilities.. Game experience DOES count for something you know.

I did not realize that Brady was NOT in his first year as a starter in 2001 - right after the Bledsoe injury inflicted by Mo Lewis. I thought for sure that it was Brady's second year with the team actually - Gee, thanks for clearing that up. (insert eye-roll smilie)

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Just gotta stop with this comparison crap

While Cassel has done an admirable job, he was put into a very talented and lucrative lineup and position,If Cassel was on a team with lesser talent and coaching he would have probably had a record close to the Lions right now.

Want to compare QBs?..O.K.

Cassel - Comes into the lineup as starting QB from a team just removed from an 18-1 season and 2 of the best WRs in the game.

Brady - Came in to the lineup as starting QB with virtually no name WRs and a team that was 5-11 the season before and showed NOTHING that previous year.


Now can we just (Please be quiet - edited) and stop the insanity????

[JSn]

How does you englishes get?

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

The biggest difference between the two is Brady took over for Bledsoe after Bledsoe had is worst season of his career and having just lost two games.

Cassel took over after Brady had the best season of any QB in history.

So there was less demand on Brady, than there was on Cassel.

[Garbanza]

Originally Posted by TheGodInAGreyHoodie

The biggest difference between the two is Brady took over for Bledsoe after Bledsoe had is worst season of his career and having just lost two games.

Cassel took over after Brady had the best season of any QB in history.

So there was less demand on Brady, than there was on Cassel.

THAT is the biggest difference? Really?

This is a great example as to why I do not spend much time here. Some of you people are insane!