The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[mtbykr]

Originally Posted by scout

My time to chime in again (I'll use this post to reply to others as well).
First, thanks aluminum seats for your post, said it better then I could have.
About this thread being so intense is because of the emotional attachment to Tom (nothing wrong with that). Deus Irae replies that its a moot issue because of Brady's physcial being. Thus, this discussion should be concluded. Well if that is the case, then so goes every thread pertaining to Cassel in regards to trading or what he might fetch. Gosh, thats not very fun, but the two are interwoven. Problem is, people are not attached to Matt, and thus can dream of draft picks.
Now, to answer your question on why we would "entertain" offers for Tom. Because a healthy Brady brings more loot then a lesser talent Cassel.
Next item. If you of the opinion that Brady is too valuable to trade, then make your case vs bashing other members for their opinions. If this is a contest of who's been a Patriot fan longer or what lengths one would go, then I believe that's a different thread (btw, I remember Carl Garrett's rookie year when he beat out OJ for ROY).

Ok here:

Now, to answer your question on why we would "entertain" offers for Tom. Because a healthy Brady brings more loot then a lesser talent Cassel.

I guess we just see differently on this issue. My priority is how what gives us the best chance moving forward. I believe that are best chance is with Brady behind center rather than Cassel. Now health is irrelevant here simply because you can't trade Brady if he can't pass a physical..so for this argument assume they are both healthy. (and i am still making the argument that a healthy TB + Cassel Trade is far greater for the Pats going forward then a healthy Cassel and TB trade)

Next item. If you of the opinion that Brady is too valuable to trade, then make your case vs bashing other members for their opinions.

Please show me where I bashed other posters for their opinions. Just for clarity here is my post:

Originally Posted by mtbykr

The fact that this thread is so intense just baffles me. For me, it really boils down to this: If Brady is healthy enough to be traded, that means he's healthy enough to play. Why on earth would we trade a healthy brady away instead of play him? Cassel played better than we expected this year (at least for me) but he should not even be in the same conversation as Brady....you people act as if TB is nearing the end of his career. TB behind center is the best option the pats have for winning....period!

In no way did i 'bash anyone for their opinion'....being surprised about how quickly people want to ride Cassel and trade TB is not bashing

Problem is, people are not attached to Matt, and thus can dream of draft picks.

Being attached to someone shouldn't be a factor, I am talking facts and my personal opinion here. I believe that TB behind center gives us our best chance to win. We have one of the best QB's of all time in his prime, and people are seriously talking about dumping him for some draft picks after one decent season from Cassel. (not to mention Cassel had a great cast around him, what would those same people be saying if Moss or Welker had gone down) We know what we get with TB....we still don't know what Cassel's career holds

[scout]

Originally Posted by mtbykr

Ok here:




I guess we just see differently on this issue. My priority is how what gives us the best chance moving forward. I believe that are best chance is with Brady behind center rather than Cassel. Now health is irrelevant here simply because you can't trade Brady if he can't pass a physical..so for this argument assume they are both healthy. (and i am still making the argument that a healthy TB + Cassel Trade is far greater for the Pats going forward then a healthy Cassel and TB trade)







Please show me where I bashed other posters for their opinions. Just for clarity here is my post:



In no way did i 'bash anyone for their opinion'....being surprised about how quickly people want to ride Cassel and trade TB is not bashing




Being attached to someone shouldn't be a factor, I am talking facts and my personal opinion here. I believe that TB behind center gives us our best chance to win. We have one of the best QB's of all time in his prime, and people are seriously talking about dumping him for some draft picks after one decent season from Cassel. (not to mention Cassel had a great cast around him, what would those same people be saying if Moss or Welker had gone down) We know what we get with TB....we still don't know what Cassel's career holds

I have absolutely no problem with your post. If you read the first line in my reply on your post, I stated: "I will use this post to reply to others as well".
I don't think you'll disagree that there is an abundant amount of emotions concerning this thread as well as bashing of members who have only proposed looking at other options. My bad, if you thought I was talking directly to your post.

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by mtbykr

Ok here:




I guess we just see differently on this issue. My priority is how what gives us the best chance moving forward. I believe that are best chance is with Brady behind center rather than Cassel. Now health is irrelevant here simply because you can't trade Brady if he can't pass a physical..so for this argument assume they are both healthy. (and i am still making the argument that a healthy TB + Cassel Trade is far greater for the Pats going forward then a healthy Cassel and TB trade)

I referenced this point before.....health is not an either/or proposition. The question of Brady's health is not yes/no. It's an element in the mix, something for the Patriots to consider.

[mtbykr]

Originally Posted by aluminum seats

I referenced this point before.....health is not an either/or proposition. The question of Brady's health is not yes/no. It's an element in the mix, something for the Patriots to consider.

You are missing my point. Of course the pats have to consider TB's health, but that is not what I was referencing. What I am reading in this thread is the debate on whether the pats should trade cassel or trade TB. My point was that to do either they both have to be healthy. If they are both healthy then please make an argument for trading TB. It is irrelevant to make an argument about keeping Cassel and trading TB because of TB's injury. He would have to pass a physical in order to be traded, and if he's healthy enough to be traded then why would the pats do that rather than play him?

[mtbykr]

Originally Posted by scout

I have absolutely no problem with your post. If you read the first line in my reply on your post, I stated: "I will use this post to reply to others as well".
I don't think you'll disagree that there is an abundant amount of emotions concerning this thread as well as bashing of members who have only proposed looking at other options. My bad, if you thought I was talking directly to your post.

Fair enough....i responded because you quoted me and then said this:

Next item. If you of the opinion that Brady is too valuable to trade, then make your case vs bashing other members for their opinions.

No worries

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by mtbykr

You are missing my point. Of course the pats have to consider TB's health, but that is not what I was referencing. What I am reading in this thread is the debate on whether the pats should trade cassel or trade TB. My point was that to do either they both have to be healthy. If they are both healthy then please make an argument for trading TB. It is irrelevant to make an argument about keeping Cassel and trading TB because of TB's injury. He would have to pass a physical in order to be traded, and if he's healthy enough to be traded then why would the pats do that rather than play him?

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

[BradyFTW!]

Originally Posted by aluminum seats

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

He won't be able to pass a physical until it's too late to trade him anyways, so it's a moot point. This entire thread is a moot point.

[mtbykr]

Originally Posted by aluminum seats

No, I'm not missing your point. MY point is that there is more complexity to a player's health than passing a physical--hence my point that health is not a yes/no proposition, as many here seem to think. Questions of health--short-term vs. long-term, issues of recurrence, etc.--have multiple components.

Ok, make your case.

[swheeler23]

Feb 27th Brady is due a 3 million dollar bonus. If the Patriots pay that we know the Patriots atleast think Brady can play again.

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by swheeler23

Feb 27th Brady is due a 3 million dollar bonus. If the Patriots pay that we know the Patriots atleast think Brady can play again.

But if the Patriots don't pay it, then, IIRC, Brady becomes an unrestricted free agent, and the Pats still take a $10M cap hit.