Triumph

1 So how many games did he miss?

2 Definitely something to look at to be sure he wasnt playing in the Stinko passing offense - Run downfield and turn left at the cheerleader, wave when you get open on two. He played 3 years for Urban Meyer though in college. Percy Harvin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You know, BBs buddy?

3 Harvins 2012 season basically exceeded Lloyds 2012 production while missing 4 games. Harvins catch % was 73% (his best ever) and Lloyds 57% (his best ever) Harvin will be 25 and Lloyd 32 when training camp opens.

4 Demps? Shouldnt he make it through more than 2 weeks of an NFL training camp before winning the KO return job? Every Pats off season there are these diamonds in the rough that never work out.

5 If Welker is gone, Edelman will play the slot. We saw the handwriting on the wall last seasons first few games. Harvin will play outside. With his speed, defenses will be forced to play off the LOS or get burned.

Jimke

Harvin wants top three wide receiver money. I can't imagine Welker
demands this much.

MoLewisrocks

That handrwiting was pretty painful to read as I recall. Then of course he was gone...again.

Lets trade a #2 and change for Percy Harvin and pay him $12M+ per year for the next 5-6 years because in tandem with Edelman whose price will skyrocket if he approaches half of Welker's production in the slot they might replicate what we get with Welker, Edelman and Lloyd for $12M+ over the next 3 seasons...including if the big TE goes down again...

We're supposed to be trying to get better, not maintain the status quo while rearranging the deck chairs. This team needs to add talent and depth of certain skillsets (physicality) without flumoxing it's cap and you don't start that exercise by subtracting proven producers and replacing them with more expensive, unproven options. And particularly not when the centerpiece of your revised plan is a player with a history of acting out that predates his NFL career when the going gets rough. Lloyd had to swallow hard more than once last season as his transition into an offense he already knew didn't go as smoothly as planned with a QB of Brady's precision running the show.

ctpatsfan77

FWIW, Lloyd's contract averages $4M a year.

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MoLewisrocks

LaCanfora says he's looking for $12+ and that would be on a 5+ year deal so $25M+ guaranteed. Plus the loss of the draft pick or picks.

Welker is likely looking for something in the $8M+ range for 3 years with $18M+ guaranteed. To take Harvin on you'd have to project he replaces both Welker and Lloyd. Otherwise you have to bring Edelman back and use him primarily in the slot and hope he could withstand a full season and produce half what Welker did, and if he did then you'd likely end up having to pay him Lloyd money to remain there by 2014. So you'd be looking at a best case scenario of $16M for WR's 1 and 2 and still no big, physical target at the position to fill the void if the big TE or even his sidekick go down in a heap again. Ballard might mitigate that some, but that remains to be seen. Fells and Hooman and Shiancoe certainly didn't and none of them was coming back from an ACL.

MoLewisrocks

I wouldn't bank on that. He's a pretty determined guy when it comes to personal agendas. Last time we had one of those on the roster he shot his way out of town on the eve of the regular season and he got what he wanted and then some. Harvin isn't going to cooperate on any trade that doesn't also get him what he wants. And if a team trades for him as a rental he will hold out until the checks start arriving, which would be the kiss of death for him and us given the complexity and precision of this offense.

BradyManny

Putting aside all the practical repercussions of the trade and financials, there aren't many players in the NFL more suited for this offense than Harvin. I'm sure Belichick and McD will do their due diligence.

I might be in the minority, but I would trade a 2nd for a 1 year rental if I knew it would increase my chances of winning a SB. Harvin would probably yield a 3rd or 4th round comp pick a year later.

EDIT: Plus I'm reading now the cost is probably a 3rd. Hitting a 2nd/3rd rounder is probably what, 33% in the NFL league wide? Even the Pats don't hit much more than that. Wheatley, Crable, O'Connell, Chung, Brace, Butler, Tate, McKenzie, Cunningham, Price, Dowling...it's hard hitting on those guys. The Spikes & Gronks of the world do not grow on trees.

Ivan

I wouldn't give Harvin more than 8 a year, 5/40 with 16 guaranteed. If that doesn't get it don e then no deal. That said it demonstrates why signing Welker is the imperative, they aren't going to come anywhere near to close to replacing his production without paying much more to replace him than to sign him.

BradyManny

The Patriots are already paying Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski a combined $16 mill a year AAV to kill teams in the middle of the field.

I'm starting to buy Bedard's take on the issue - and accept that Welker is not realistically in the team's plan going forward, despite the fact he remains the 4th most talented player on the team, and the most talented slot receiver in the league. It's tough to swallow considering he very well might be the toughest player on the team, and the one who has sacrificed his body more than any other. Not to mention he's extremely likeable. He's the ideal Patriot. But with Gronk & Hernandez as the core for this offense going forward, can we afford to pay a guy $10 mill annually who doesn't pose a threat on the outside?

Again, if I'm playing with funny money and not worrying about the logistics - having Harvin, a guy who like Hernandez can line up in the slot; backfield; split wide - is extremely valuable to where McD has taken and is taking this offense. Harvin would truly be a nightmare for opposing teams in this offense. Just imagine him lining up at RB with Gronk & Hernandez in the game and lined up as TEs. What does the opposing D do? What personnel do you send out? Now what do they do when Brady audibles and all three of those guys are lined up as WRs? Have fun defending them with the LBs you've put in to stop the run.

McD would kill for this guy on his team, even if it's just a rental.

Deus Irae

I think this is a bit misleading, because the 3 players all play different roles, and that's for a good reason. If Welker doesn't return, who's the player that can get open in the middle within 5 yards?

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