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Uncle Meat · 02-01-2013, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

First...Faulk and the thread topic is about a different issue which was retracted in print by the accuser and the paper (Herald). You keep ignoring this.

The thread topic spans 14 pages. Many things were discussed, not only that Faulk is a dip**** for questioning the integrity of the Patriots or whatever else.

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Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

The suspicions that the Pats were taping prior to the memo are not suspicions. They, the Jets and others were taping. That is a fact. That is likely why Goodell wrote the memo to all teams to stop the practice which in his opinion was detrimental to competition.

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument. Tell that to the judge. If you want to view only the so-called proven evidence (which is quite convenient to many of the aspects of the 'Pats didn't do "much" wrong' argument), then look at it. Who else was busted for cheating?

That's right, nobody else. Nobody else. If you want to exclude anything other than what has been "proven," then you should refrain from using that argument again unless you want to apply it to the whole spectrum of issues surrounding Spygate. In other words, if nobody else was busted for cheating, then nobody else did it. It was never proven that anybody else did it. If you want to open that door, then you have no business so easily knocking down other aspects of the situation for lack of proof. Period.

PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

Three days gets your panties in a bunch! Ridiculous.
Goodell warned BB and the Pats that if he did not get every single video and it turned out later that there was not 100% compliance the penalties would be even more severe than his already over the top reaction. Were I in charge of the Pats I'd make damn sure that no employee had any copy anywhere, home, at work, on some server, in some off-site backup facility wherever before I bet my career and my franchise saying "That's all of it"

Yeah, because you should always trust the word of people that break the rules in the first place. They were NOT in the up-and-up, were they? This much has been proven.

This is an empty argument here. Your position is that since they were asked to do something, then they did it to the letter. Huh? Nevermind what YOU would do. How in the world would the NFL EVER be able to police the turning over of evidence? That's why nobody that is not a homer trusts the turning over of the tapes. Can you see that? If you are unscrupulous in one area, why should you be expected to be scrupulous in your honesty about said area after being busted for it? You can see how people can think that way at least, can't you? People don't usually hire defense attorneys just to get up there and tell the truth, you know. And I'm talking about PERCEPTION here...perception.

You say "Goodell warned BB and the Pats that if he did not get every single video..." Yeah, they also warned them not to make videos at all. How did that go?

There is a reason for all this ongoing talk, and the reason is not because everybody that disagrees with you, wants to dig deeper, or remains unconvinced are stupid people.

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Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

Nice job ignoring the NY paper link citing viewing of said tapes.

Your behavior here is thus is that of a troll with an agenda, not a fan discussing the issue and the facts.

I'm a fan of the game of football, not a Patriots homer. That's the difference here. The only difference.

PatsSox363804 · 02-01-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the Patriot

I agree that the stupidest thing Goodell could have done was claim he destroyed all the tapes two days after receiving them. That turned it into a fiasco. Keep the tapes on file. You don't have to give them all to the media, but let people have their look.

Yeah, it turned this into a much larger story although the possibility still remains that even if every tape were aired people would still say either we didnt turn everything over or we burned the good stuff before Goodell seized it.

robbomango · 02-01-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by terabthia2

Now go back to whatever Morally Pure team you root for and get lost, troll.

He/she/it roots for the morally pure and superior Bills, you know the team that scum bag Greg Williams coached for in the early 2000's...

***Brady_to_Moss*** · 02-01-2013, 06:57 PM

surprised he hasn't off-ed himself yet. This guy can't get over something 10+ years ago? Sad really

***Brady_to_Moss*** · 02-01-2013, 07:06 PM

jets fans aren't over it either

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SVN · 02-01-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Meat

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Timeline of events and disclosures during Spygate saga - NFL - ESPN

What's the problem with what I said? Was it false?

Refer to above. The obvious point is that the Patriots turned over the evidence themselves. Yeah, why wouldn't they turn over everything, right? They could have easily DECIDED what it was that they were going to turn in given their freedom in the matter, don't you think? Do you disagree with that premise? I can't see how you could.

Do you think the police were brought in, took Belichick hostage and confiscated ALL materials with a knife to his throat? Me neither. This is why there are remaining QUESTIONS as to the actually extent of the rule breaking...not only the evidence that was collected and quickly destroyed, but the actual METHOD of collection to begin with.

Again, I'm talking about why people may have a problem with not trusting the Patriots. Right or wrong, they brought in on themselves and have to live with it. One should never cry about what one brought onto one's self. THAT is the point. THAT is what I'm talking about.

Police ? why not. Why not the CIA ? How do you know nfl investigators didnt come in and take the evidence . ? You are harping the method of collection just because you dont know how it was done .

OMGWTFJUDD · 02-01-2013, 07:22 PM

There was a famous final in a football match once (involving my team) where, late in the game, there was a incident where the ball went close (or over) the field of play line. A player from my team knocked the ball back into play near the goal and we got possession and scored and eventually won the game.

For 20 years I had supporters from the opposing team telling me that victory was tainted. They bought up every scenario as to how the game would have changed if the ball had been called out I'd argue that we still would have won and would give my reasons. It wouldn't help, all I'd ever get was 'you cheated, it's tainted they would drive me nuts.

Then about 10 years ago I changed my attitude and would just say things like "sh1t yeah the ball was out man, you got ripped""The ball was practically in the seats and we stole it from you HAHAHAHA"

End of argument. They have nowhere to go.

So I would suggest the next person you run into and they say "hey those SB wins are tainted" you just say.

" F*** yeah baby, we got those trophies and you've got f*** all" "we just got some pissant fines, man that was a sweet deal HAHAHAHA" or words to that effect.

Obviously BB can't do this but it a sure fire tactic for fans to shut people up.

It's not the whole truth, but who cares?, you win the battle with the jerk you are arguing with and we keep the trophies. So suck it!!

EDIT: the incident.http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

***PatsWickedPissah*** · 02-01-2013, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Meat;3364414

Ah, the old two wrongs make a right argument. Tell that to the judge. If you want to view [B

only[/B] the so-called proven evidence (which is quite convenient to many of the aspects of the 'Pats didn't do "much" wrong' argument), then look at it. Who else was busted for cheating?

That's right, nobody else. Nobody else. If you want to exclude anything other than what has been "proven," then you should refrain from using that argument again unless you want to apply it to the whole spectrum of issues surrounding Spygate. In other words, if nobody else was busted for cheating, then nobody else did it. It was never proven that anybody else did it. If you want to open that door, then you have no business so easily knocking down other aspects of the situation for lack of proof. Period.

DidI say 2 wrongs made a right? No, I did not.
I said that BB defied the commissioner's memo on camera placement openly.

I also said that "suspected" was inaccurate. The Patriots admitted to the taping. They were not suspected of taping.

You cannot respond to the facts posted, instead choosing to spin off in straw man arguments.

RelocatedPatFan · 02-01-2013, 07:38 PM

You guys still trying to feed to troll?

Seriously, he's a lost cause (as are we according to the other side). Try not to convince him or the world, their minds are already made up and set in stone. He makes supposition and claims they are fact. He said tapes has damaging stuff on it because they were destroyed. Yet, nobody else cheated because they didn't get caught.

Ray Lewis never failed a drug test because they don't test for deer antler horn/spray. The fact is, Roger handed down the heavy punishment for ego reasons and to send a warning to all the other teams.

The last thing he wanted was to uncover all the ugly warts that go into this game because if you look to closely, you'll no doubt find them. (yes that's an opinion, but you can't answer it one way or another without doing all the research)

Ban the troll and let's move on.

***blackglass3*** · 02-01-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RelocatedPatFan

The last thing he wanted was to uncover all the ugly warts that go into this game because if you look to closely, you'll no doubt find them. (yes that's an opinion, but you can't answer it one way or another without doing all the research)

Slowly, Goodell IS uncovering the warts and keeps digging himself in deeper with his "trying to clean up the shield" campaign. Espionage, domestic violence, bounties and playing to injure, concussions and various PED's. Paul Taglibue pretty much let the teams manage their players and kept the press' gaze away from the ugly stuff the game of football is. Goodell is probably the last person that should have been his replacement; a lawyer with Hero Syndrome who tries plugging one hole in a dam that uncovers 4 other holes. The more he tries to help, the more problems he causes. At this rate I am inclined to believe what Bernard Pollard said about their not being an NFL in 30 years.