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Younger and more important to the team - him leaving the game on Sunday showed that.
There's a lot of good WRs in the draft and FA this year so Welker could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who does the same job (Amendola) or a younger player who can do the same and more but cost roughly the same (Jennings).
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Please explain to me what is "Funny" about comparing the hypothesized choice between Welker and Talib to the life and death choice, capturing the agony of an entire era, that infuses Styron's book. I see nothing "funny" at all therein.
Given the obscenely tragic subject matter of Styron's brilliant and wrenching book, the thread title is jarring, completely inappropriate and, indeed, offensive to some of us. It trivializes what Styron accomplished in his masterpiece.
If what the OP meant to say is: "An Hobson's Choice. Talib or Welker?," then my view is this:
If this is indeed a Zero Sum game (and I don't know that it is), in which the Pats have to let one go in order to retain the other, then I would argue to keep Talib and let Welker go, with profound regrets.
Talib has become far more important, relatively speaking, to the D than Welker, as brilliant as he is, is to the O. The Pats failure during the second half of Sunday's game was a product of many factors on both sides of the ball, but the difference in the success of Baltimore's Offense with and without Talib on the field cannot be ignored; Harbaugh said after the game that they were able to do a lot more things in the second half.
Talib was on the field for half a quarter and two series while Caldwell was trying to establish the run. Had Welker not been on that field the Ravens might have shut us out.
Please explain to me what is "Funny" about comparing the hypothesized choice between Welker and Talib to the life and death choice, capturing the agony of an entire era, that infuses Styron's book. I see nothing "funny" at all therein.
Because they are not related. Wes plays WR and Talib plays CB. having a No1 WR has not stopped any team paying for No1 CB on another other team than the pats in the league.
Even after paying 11 million to WES , we where under the cap space!.
that included a signing bonus for fanane in there. Gronk and hernandaz where also sign this year....even after all this we where under the cap.
now to claim that somehow there is NO cap space so we have to let one go is crazy. I will bet that even if we sign all the guys we want we will again be UNDER THE CAP THIS YEAR.
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Younger and more important to the team - him leaving the game on Sunday showed that.
There's a lot of good WRs in the draft and FA this year so Welker could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who does the same job (Amendola) or a younger player who can do the same and more but cost roughly the same (Jennings).
There is no guarantee you can replace production in this offense with a FA or drafted WR. History has taught us that. They have also struggled to replace performance with drafted and FA corners, although not to the extent they have receivers in this offense. If the choice includes which guy you trust to perform with a 3-4 year deal and double digit guaranteed money in hand, Welker despite his age is the far better bet to.
Talib was on the field for half a quarter and two series while Caldwell was trying to establish the run. Had Welker not been on that field the Ravens might have shut us out.
This falls in the category of the "unknowable" since it is purely hypothetical, but one could argue that they were focused on the run earlier in the game precisely because of the challenge that a Talib-enabled D presented. We can't know what Caldwell would or wouldn't have done if Talib had played the entire game.
As for Welker's contribution, I was pretty careful not to gainsay his value to the team in my comment. The OP presented us with a "one or the other" choice and that was the context of my comment.
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It's as simple as you put it if the money works Wilfork. A stable, guaranteed, clutch all-pro player over a talented player with numerous off the field issues. When you step back from the ledge it's a no-brainer.
Now, if you want to decide Vollmer or Talib. Let's talk. We have Talib's issues. But, Vollmer has a balky back. And, plays at a position easier to fill. If Talib is reasonable, I'd sign him over Seabass.
If we were in a situation where we could only keep two of the three, I would look to sign Welker and Talib and tag and trade Vollmer. Vollmer would probably have the most trade value and also command a higher salary than both. OT would also probably be the easiest position to fill. To do this I think we would have to sign Talib and agree to terms with Welker, but not make it official until after the trade and Vollmer's franchise tag would be off the books (about $9.6mil). I would love to keep all three, but if we can't I think this is the best alternative.
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Re: Sophie's choice. Talib or Welker?
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It's as simple as you put it if the money works Wilfork. A stable, guaranteed, clutch all-pro player over a talented player with numerous off the field issues. When you step back from the ledge it's a no-brainer.
WW is incredibly productive and should be retained but I seriously question what makes him clutch.
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