Triumph
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My only measure of the greatest is Super Bowl rings.So your only measure for player success is winning SBs?
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.My only measure of the greatest is Super Bowl rings.So your only measure for player success is winning SBs?
If the compensation I heard is correct, I wouldn't have been happy giving up what the Bills gave up for Diggs.Then they traded Cooks when it came to be the Pats turn to pay him. And yes, the pats could have traded for Diggs instead of the Bills.
They were 7-9The 2020 Bucs are an All Star team. What happened before has nothing to do with now.
Besides in 2019 the Bucs led the NFL in passing yards and TD's... they were hardly devoid of talent and any QB who didn't lead the league in turnovers like Jameis Winston did was going to be an improvement.
The 2020 Bucs are an All Star team. What happened before has nothing to do with now.
Besides in 2019 the Bucs led the NFL in passing yards and TD's... they were hardly devoid of talent and any QB who didn't lead the league in turnovers like Jameis Winston did was going to be an improvement.
Who is they?They were 7-9
That's what made me confident in Stidham. When they picked up Cant Newton and I saw how awful he was everything changed and things didn't look so rosy at QB anymore.I still haven't seen team Bill address the fact he was seemingly content to go into 2020 with Stidham and Hoyer.
If I remember they had the third best odds to win the super bowl before the season began, and Vegas isn't infallible.They simply aren’t an all-star team. The vegas win total was 9.5 I believe. They were considered a second tier team entering the year.
If I remember they had the third best odds to win the super bowl before the season began, and Vegas isn't infallible.
Also how many HOF, All Pro and Pro Bowl players do you count below?
WR
Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Antonio Brown
Scott Miller
Tyler Johnson
Justin Watson
TE
Rob Gronkowski
Cameron Brate
O.J. Howard
RB
Leonard Fournette
Ronald Jones II
LeSean McCoy
This ^ is probably the greatest collection of weapons in pro football history.
But you've seen better... lol
Gotta ask...Having Brady on the team wouldn’t hinder any reset or rebuild.
Evans is an overrated WR. Check out his catch rates. He’s a volume player.
Judging by the other names you’ve listed you are being dishonest. That’s your problem. The RBs are JAGs. Gronk is a blocking TE.
Rebuilt o-line? The needed a R tackle and hit on that in the draft. It was not a rebuilt o-line. And Howard is a better TE than Gronk. Aside from Brady, most of the talent was already in place on offense.Who is they?
Do you remember Gronk playing with Winston last year, or AB, or Fournette... what about a completely rebuilt offensive line, a better defense?
One year has nothing to do with another, rosters change, schedules change.
Wirfs was a #1 pick, AQ Shipley and Joe Haeg were also great additions. Great teams have depth and those guys made starts this year. Where's Howard right now?Rebuilt o-line? The needed a R tackle and hit on that in the draft. It was not a rebuilt o-line. And Howard is a better TE than Gronk. Aside from Brady, most of the talent was already in place on offense.
There's a lot of ground in between failure and greatness. I've heard many people, even some of Brady's critics, congratulate him for his 14th trip to a conference championship in 19 years.My only measure of the greatest is Super Bowl rings.
Okay, I understand your argument. But 2-3 years (it could be more) if having an all-time great Brady gives you a better chance to win a Super Bowl than 8-10 years of any coach or GM or coach/GM who has ever existed.
Brady has already made the conference championship game. The chances aren’t great that the Patriots will make it to even one conference championship game before Belichick retires.
They were 7-9
Lol that was the plan? That was really the plan? Stidham, a guy who Bill wouldn't let start in front of one of the worst QBs I have ever seen? Hoyer? We saw how that went in KC. He was horrific. Cam fell into his lap and only signed here because he couldn't get a job anywhere else and was willing to play for peanuts.Stidham, Hoyer and Cam... did you miss that?
You didn't answer my question.According to you Negative Nancy's we sucked for the last six years and had no talent, if we won 3 rings with no talent I'm sure we'll be fine.
I could use all the collateral on my house to finance a Ferrari, then when it needs a tuneup or tires I'll have no money to do either. When it breaks down it will sit in my garage and I won't be able to drive to work, until the day the bank comes to take my house, my car and my dog... smart.
Brady and Diggs with the ballboy, water boy and the front office guys playing O-Line blocking with a gable of jags on defense is a terrible team. Football teams are good because 53 men on the roster are good, not because you have a franchise caliber QB. Drew Brees led the NFL in passing in 2016, the Saints had the worst defense in the league... they went 7-9.
The idea that a franchise caliber QB and weapons alone will win you a ring is the stuff of fanboys who don't understand the game at all.
Just because you can borrow money doesn't make it smart.
This is ridiculous. Diggs at 15 mil per year on the books in a trade was a bargain for a top WR. Vikings already paid the bonus so that is already paid by another team. The Ideas was to resign Thuney to a 5 year contract or so to spread out the cap hit or go sign a vet guard for less. They actually do ok drafting o-line as well. And yes the should have been in on the TE market as well. The Pats had a few moves the could have made to free up space. they made none. Signing Diggs and a TE would not have doomed them to future cap hell. They chose to be smart with cap management well see if that works out now.I could use all the collateral on my house to finance a Ferrari, then when it needs a tuneup or tires I'll have no money to do either. When it breaks down it will sit in my garage and I won't be able to drive to work, until the day the bank comes to take my house, my car and my dog... smart.
Brady and Diggs with the ballboy, water boy and the front office guys playing O-Line blocking with a gable of jags on defense is a terrible team. Football teams are good because 53 men on the roster are good, not because you have a franchise caliber QB. Drew Brees led the NFL in passing in 2016, the Saints had the worst defense in the league... they went 7-9.
The idea that a franchise caliber QB and weapons alone will win you a ring is the stuff of fanboys who don't understand the game at all.
Just because you can borrow money doesn't make it smart.
I'm nitpicking your post, I agree with the bucs coaching lost them a couple wins, but as far as BB goes:I think Belichick will definitely make this team competitive over the next 7-10 years, absolutely.
Antonio Brown, Tristan Wirfs, Leonard Fournette, Tom Brady, Joe Haeg, Tyler Johnson, Rob Gronkowski, AQ Shipley. That's a lot of new players playing important roles.
Evans, Godwin, and that defense are supremely talented.
And as we've all seen, very often the difference between 7-9 and 11-5 is a handful of plays here and there (especially turnovers). Going from Brady to Winston absolutely explains the jump in win total, and it doesn't mean this or last year's Buccaneers teams are not extremely talented. In fact, 11 wins for a team with that much talent is about the floor, IMO. That team should have 13-14 wins with marginally better coaching and a full offseason program.
To use the 2019 mark of 7-9 as an argument that this year's (or last year's) Buccaneers team is not talented is silly.
Cant Newton, the Pats QB this year, was once a league MVP.If I remember they had the third best odds to win the super bowl before the season began, and Vegas isn't infallible.
Also how many HOF, All Pro and Pro Bowl players do you count below?
WR
Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Antonio Brown
Scott Miller
Tyler Johnson
Justin Watson
TE
Rob Gronkowski
Cameron Brate
O.J. Howard
RB
Leonard Fournette
Ronald Jones II
LeSean McCoy
This ^ is probably the greatest collection of weapons in pro football history.
But you've seen better... lol
The plan was to reset the cap, if they could be competitive with a bunch of kids playing LB, TE and WR so be it. But either way, even if they had to endure a down year this was the plan. Now that they have begun this process that will carry over into next season the goal is to improve... just like it was in 2000.Lol that was the plan? That was really the plan? Stidham, a guy who Bill wouldn't let start in front of one of the worst QBs I have ever seen? Hoyer? We saw how that went in KC. He was horrific. Cam fell into his lap and only signed here because he couldn't get a job anywhere else and was willing to play for peanuts.
You're either trolling or you're related to Bill (or you really are Matt Chatham).
You didn't answer my question.