Alan Millstein: Brady's chances of en banc hearing dramatically improved with latest amicus filings

XLIX said:

OK then on your advice, I will go back to my original belief that, based on your reply, you clearly didn't understand my point.

If you have something intelligent to say in response to the point I made, please feel free to present such.

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Why?

This thread is punishment for our collective sins.

VectorPrime said:

This thread is punishment for our collective sins.

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JC couldn't have suffered this much.

XLIX said:

I don't really follow the NBA, but you are employing the same logic that the people employed when talking about how the Patriots' lack of fumbling "proved" they were cheating.

Fumbles are not a strictly random occurrence so if one team fumbles less than others by a statistically significant amount, that doesn't "prove" anything. Similarly, fouls are not a random occurrence. If one team fouls more than the other by a statistically significant amount, that doesn't "prove" anything.

Please note I'm not saying the accusations are true or untrue, I'm just pointing out the logical flaw at looking at drawing conclusions from statistics.

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I'm not using or applying any logic

Donaghy simply stated that "top NBA executives sought to manipulate games using referees"

I can't make it too much clearer than that - though I do understand people's desires to believe that the NBA commissioner is NOT willing to manipulate games to improve his profits

What I can't understand is why everyone would find it so difficult to believe that a Major League Sport would do this. Isn't that effectively what Goodell is doing - effectively trying to, at best, frame Brady to improve parity and the chance of other owners to win, profit, and expand the popularity of the League and profits for all?

It really can't be easy to grow teams, franchises and expand the league when one team is "clogging" up the Super Bowl nearly every other season

So we have a former ref stating this is done in the NBA and we all know it's done in the NFL

It's a little bizarre to me after what we've seen with the NFL to think that some would actually be trying to bend over backwards saying "HEY - Donaghy didn't actually hear Silver say that to them - so we have to assume Silver is completely innocent and how dare you assume otherwise!!!"

REALLY people? Really? After all you've seen in the NFL and KNOWING that the Refs in the NBA can and have altered the outcome of games.

The NBA and NFL both are in a sitution of their own making where the onus is on them to prove they have systems in place that ensure the integrity of the game.

Until they do so the smarter option is to NOT assume Goodell and Silver are honest and fair individuals with "unquestioned integrity"

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VectorPrime said:

This thread is punishment for our collective sins.

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Hasn't Brady forgiven us our sins?

JoeSixPat said:

I'm not using or applying any logic

Donaghy simply stated that "top NBA executives sought to manipulate games using referees"

I can't make it too much clearer than that - though I do understand people's desires to believe that the NBA commissioner is NOT willing to manipulate games to improve his profits

What I can't understand is why everyone would find it so difficult to believe that a Major League Sport would do this. Isn't that effectively what Goodell is doing - effectively trying to, at best, frame Brady to improve parity and the chance of other owners to win, profit, and expand the popularity of the League and profits for all?

It really can't be easy to grow teams, franchises and expand the league when one team is "clogging" up the Super Bowl nearly every other season

So we have a former ref stating this is done in the NBA and we all know it's done in the NFL

It's a little bizarre to me after what we've seen with the NFL to think that some would actually be trying to bend over backwards saying "HEY - Donaghy didn't actually hear Silver say that to them - so we have to assume Silver is completely innocent and how dare you assume otherwise!!!"

REALLY people? Really? After all you've seen in the NFL and KNOWING that the Refs in the NBA can and have altered the outcome of games.

The NBA and NFL both are in a sitution of their own making where the onus is on them to prove they have systems in place that ensure the integrity of the game.

Until they do so the smarter option is to NOT assume Goodell and Silver are honest and fair individuals with "unquestioned integrity"

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Must be why Goodell is saying Integrity all the time, trying to brainwash the weak minded .

VectorPrime said:

This thread is punishment for our collective sins.

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The Patriot version of Midnight Express, round and round the Turkish wheel.

JoeSixPat said:

I'm not using or applying any logic

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Yes I agree you are not employing any logic but it is clear you are trying to.

You're trying to apply statistical probability to the number of fouls in that 4th quarter and claim that there is a statistically significant difference between the two teams' fouls, therefore the game was fixed. There's is no logical connection in that statement, just like there is no logic in the statement "the Patriots lose fumbles at an incredibly low rate, therefore they are cheating."

JoeSixPat said:

Donaghy simply stated that "top NBA executives sought to manipulate games using referees"

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Donaghy is a known degenerate lowlife POS sleazeball. Even people who believe him cannot deny that fact. Believing Donaghy would be like believing Pete Rose.

JoeSixPat said:

What I can't understand is why everyone would find it so difficult to believe that a Major League Sport would do this.

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It is too great of a risk. These teams are worth countless billions. You wouldn't risk it all for a game 7.

JoeSixPat said:

Isn't that effectively what Goodell is doing - effectively trying to, at best, frame Brady to improve parity and the chance of other owners to win, profit, and expand the popularity of the League and profits for all?

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Separate matter. We are talking about league offices using referees to rig the outcomes of certain games in a predetermined fashion.

JoeSixPat said:

It really can't be easy to grow teams, franchises and expand the league when one team is "clogging" up the Super Bowl nearly every other season

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Dynasties are good for a sport. Having a team or player that everyone hates is wonderful for ratings.

So this deflategate ruling may take a while....

TommyBrady12 said:

So this deflategate ruling may take a while....

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If that is true then maybe Judge Katzmann thinks this will be helpful to Brady's side.

sb1 said:

If that is true then maybe Judge Katzmann thinks this will be helpful to Brady's side.

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Honestly, i thought the judges were polled by now...oh well, let katzmann work his magic.

TommyBrady12 said:

Honestly i thought the judges were polled by now...oh well, let katzmann work his magic.

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And maybe - like Judge Berman - he sees and understands what is really happening here so maybe he is very quietly and subtly doing what he can to make sure justice is done. Hope so.

sb1 said:

And maybe - like Judge Berman - he sees and understands what is really happening here so maybe he is very quietly and subtly doing what he can to make sure justice is done. Hope so.

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Is there a "gee I hope you're right" rating on the board?

TommyBrady12 said:

So this deflategate ruling may take a while....

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A separate article by Wallach states one of the guys is taking senior status on August 1st and the other sometime "this summer."

My own observation is that would mean Brady needs 6 of 11 instead of 7 of 13. The only way waiting helps Brady is if they both were planning to vote against the appeal. If they split 1-1 then their presence doesn't make a difference and, needless to say, if they both support Brady then we don't want to wait for them to leave the panel.

Wallach also had this interesting nugget: If the en banc hearing is granted, then the 3-judge appeal hearing ruling is completely dismissed. What this means is that if there are an even number of judges on the en banc panel, all Brady needs is a 50-50 split. A 50-50 split means Berman's original decision is upheld, NOT the appeals court decision. I honestly didn't know that.

Of course, if there are 12 judges rehearing the appeal, we already know we're down 2-1, so we need 5 of the remaining 9.

XLIX said:

A separate article by Wallach states one of the guys is taking senior status on August 1st and the other sometime "this summer."

My own observation is that would mean Brady needs 6 of 11 instead of 7 of 13. The only way waiting helps Brady is if they both were planning to vote against the appeal. If they split 1-1 then their presence doesn't make a difference and, needless to say, if they both support Brady then we don't want to wait for them to leave the panel.

Wallach also had this interesting nugget: If the en banc hearing is granted, then the 3-judge appeal hearing ruling is completely dismissed. What this means is that if there are an even number of judges on the en banc panel, all Brady needs is a 50-50 split. A 50-50 split means Berman's original decision is upheld, NOT the appeals court decision. I honestly didn't know that.

Of course, if there are 12 judges rehearing the appeal, we already know we're down 2-1, so we need 5 of the remaining 9.

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Yes, tie goes to Brady

XLIX said:

Of course, if there are 12 judges rehearing the appeal, we already know we're down 2-1, so we need 5 of the remaining 9.

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Brady with game face

Assuming Brady's team does all the stuff people have said they would do, including going to SCOTUS, is there really any chance that Brady sits out the 4 games this season? The timing is getting really tight, at this point.

fnordcircle said:

Assuming Brady's team does all the stuff people have said they would do, including going to SCOTUS, is there really any chance that Brady sits out the 4 games this season? The timing is getting really tight, at this point.

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Shave me from myshelf