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They just suspended Sheldon.

For exactly one game.

Because he gave a soon to be driver a defensive driving course and gun safety lesson at the same time. While also teaching the kid the smell of weed so he knows what to avoid. And most importantly taught the kid the invaluable lesson of not trusting anyone who just says they're a cop. They could be impersonating an officer.

Sheldon is just a misunderstood role model.

Very droll, but considering the fact that he is a repeat offender it makes no sense that the punishment would be this light.

Consider that part of the reason that the Deflategate punishment was as draconian as it was because they were "repeat offenders" (I am still waiting to hear what Brady's previous offense was):

DeflateGate punishment for Patriots may hinge on repeat offender status; Brady discipline expected ‘soon’
 
A wise man appreciates it when someone tells them that their fly is down. It seems strange that someone who claims to not care about my opinion, expressed appreciation of compliments I've given them in the past.

Anyone who says NEPFL is a complete moron. No team has been punished nearly as harshly for major offenses as the Pats have been for misdemeanors.

See, now this is why I try to avoid any of the details of the "gates" and cheating accusations.

Obviously I'm going to disagree on many of these issues with Pats fans. Occasionally I'll chime in about a particular point or with a question, but it's definitely best not to post about things I know will only cause arguments.

Plenty of other things to discuss.
 
See, now this is why I try to avoid any of the details of the "gates" and cheating accusations.

Obviously I'm going to disagree on many of these issues with Pats fans. Occasionally I'll chime in about a particular point or with a question, but it's definitely best not to post about things I know will only cause arguments.

Plenty of other things to discuss.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
 
Breaks for the Pats? Two huge ones I can think of immediately. Tuck rule and burning the spygate tapes.

Week 2, 2001. Jets driving to score, second and goal on the 10. Anthony Pleasant strip-sacks Vinny Testaverde, Richard Seymour recovers. But the Jets get to keep the ball on account of the tuck rule, and promptly score and win the game. The Pats have been hurt by the tuck rule (not on the aggregate, obviously, but in specific games), and the Jets have benefitted from it. I agree that it was a stupid rule and I'm glad it's gone, but it was correctly called, and called consistently with how it had been applied against the Pats earlier that same year. It was lucky in the same sense that any favorable bounce of the ball or timely call is lucky, but the idea that it's evidence of the league favoring the Pats is ludicrous for all the reasons I just mentioned.

As for burning the Spygate tapes, there are a ton of reasons why that could have happened. Some are bad for the Pats, some are bad for the league. Belichick has said, for example, that he had/has proof of other teams doing the same thing on tape. Granted, you may or may not believe him, but I don't think that's the smoking gun that a lot of anti-Pats folks claim. A lot of us were also pissed when it came out that the tapes were burned, though probably for much different reasons than you were. A bunch of the tapes were played on a loop for members of the media Goodell issued the punishment, and they recounted what those tapes contained: formations, signals from the defensive coaches, a quick pan to the scoreboard, and the occasional checking out of cheerleaders.

I've always believed the tapes were destroyed for one of two reasons. Realistically, I think it was so that if any more tapes ever came out, Goodell would know that the Pats hadn't turned over everything and could punish them again, because this removed 'we already gave that tape to you, it must have come from your guys' as a defense. As an unabashed Goodell hater who is inclined to ascribe the worst motivations to him, I also think he didn't want the tapes to come out and reveal how trivial the whole thing really was, a belief that I think has been supported by Goodell's attempts to hide everything that went into Deflategate, including the ball PSI measurements from 2015 that they said would be made public right up until they abruptly changed their minds. Presumably because the data didn't support the conclusion they'd previously decided to reach.
 
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Fill in the blank. The ____________ are the team most associated with cheating lately.

The most popular answer would be NE.
All this proves is how biased the media is, and how ignorant the general population is.

Jets got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Chiefs got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Falcons got caught red handed pumping in crowd noise, no one cared.
Browns got caught red handed with illegal communications, no one cared.

Patriots got suspected (not "caught", just "suspected") of deflating balls, and it becomes a national obsession.
 
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All this proves is how biased the media is, and how ignorant the general population is.

Jets got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Chiefs got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Falcons got caught red handed pumping in crowd noise, no one cared.
Browns got caught red handed with illegal communications, no one cared.

Patriots got suspected (not "caught", just "suspected) of deflating balls, and it becomes a national obsession.

Pretty much. He's not wrong, the answer to that question IS the Patriots for pretty much everyone, even us. But just because the Patriots are the team most associated with cheating doesn't mean they're the worst offenders, most recent offenders, or even that they offended at all. It's just proof of something that was never in doubt: that Goodell chose this case to pretend he's a big boy and go to the mat over pretty much nothing. Take a poll of those same people and the majority will also agree that the entire thing is, at a minimum, a giant overblown farce, and at most a fraudulent claim that now threatens to undermine the very concept of arbitration in the American legal system.
 
All this proves is how biased the media is, and how ignorant the general population is.

Jets got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Chiefs got caught red handed tampering, no one cared.
Falcons got caught red handed pumping in crowd noise, no one cared.
Browns got caught red handed with illegal communications, no one cared.

Patriots got suspected (not "caught", just "suspected) of deflating balls, and it becomes a national obsession.

OK, I see your points. But we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. Don't wanna be pissing off the whole board and have that whiny dude calling for me to be banned.

Maybe if a thread is started that specifically states it's fair game to say anything (even anti-Pat comments) and that it can't be held against me outside of that thread... then sure I'll have some fun with it.

But really not a big deal. I'm not one who preaches anti-Pat talk on the Jets boards. I don't really care much about that stuff. So I'm probably not the best guy to argue those points anyway.
 
I loved JetsInsider, but they sold out to Scout. Place f-in sucks now. It's why I occasionally remind you guys to contribute here, as I'm sure this place is getting offers to sell. Everyone from JIer split to a couple different forums. JetNation is pretty good and has basically become the new JIer.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. But if I'm gonna post potential negative Pat stuff, I want to make sure I'm free to take on the resulting onslaught. I.e. being at a computer and free instead of on my phone while running around.

Breaks for the Pats? Two huge ones I can think of immediately. Tuck rule and burning the spygate tapes.
If you have half a brain in your head, you'll just disappear after that last paragraph. I know 6 year olds from the far reaches of NE who would kick your ass in a debate if you dared to bring that weak **** to the table. I know you try to present as this reasonable, visiting Yets fan who just wants to engage in reasonable dialogue with the enemy. I also know some around here buy that BS, but not many. You're a troll. Go back to Gang Green and the other online cesspools available to Yets fans.
 
I loved JetsInsider, but they sold out to Scout. Place f-in sucks now. It's why I occasionally remind you guys to contribute here, as I'm sure this place is getting offers to sell. Everyone from JIer split to a couple different forums. JetNation is pretty good and has basically become the new JIer.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. But if I'm gonna post potential negative Pat stuff, I want to make sure I'm free to take on the resulting onslaught. I.e. being at a computer and free instead of on my phone while running around.

Breaks for the Pats? Two huge ones I can think of immediately. Tuck rule and burning the spygate tapes.

1. You all were talking about breaks from NYJFL and not miscellaneous bad or disliked decisions by a ref. I don't consider the two the same.

2. Tuck rule was CORRECT enforcement of the rules AT THAT TIME and was a REPEAT RULE CALL that season with the first time called being (in I think week 2) in a game of Jesters-Pats and YOUR TEAM my friend GOT THE BREAK. So take that weak-ax sxxx outta here.

3. Destroying the tapes was gotohell's way of ensuring he would never be questioned on his BS penalty. The one tape that did get out publicly revealed the innanity as everyone who saw it said ho-hum and boy does this guy have a lot of interest in cheerleaders. Also considering jesters did same thing and no one complained and Fish did worse recording audio-video and then bragging on national TV that they stole his signals and knew the line calls; you can't call that a break either. Unless you can show me where fish or jesters gave up a first round pick.
 
Breaks for the Pats? Two huge ones I can think of immediately. Tuck rule and burning the spygate tapes.

I love when Jester Fans bring up the Tuck Rule. Why? Because they were the beneficiaries of it the same year the Pats were. And it was against the Pats..

The "Tuck Rule" was implemented because of Steve Young's mobility. It had nothing to do with the Pats..

The Spygate Tapes? You mean the tapes that from the guy who was in the wrong place on the field that showed him filming Opposing Cheerleader's asses? You mean the ones that showed the Jets also committing the same act during the same game that they turned the Patriots in on?

Yeah.. Jets fans should never talk about Spygate because it was much ado about nothing and its the only reason they've been in the news the last 10 years..
 
OK, I see your points. But we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. Don't wanna be pissing off the whole board and have that whiny dude calling for me to be banned.

Maybe if a thread is started that specifically states it's fair game to say anything (even anti-Pat comments) and that it can't be held against me outside of that thread... then sure I'll have some fun with it.

But really not a big deal. I'm not one who preaches anti-Pat talk on the Jets boards. I don't really care much about that stuff. So I'm probably not the best guy to argue those points anyway.
Hell, I forgot the best example:

The Panthers got caught red handed TAMPERING WITH FOOTBALLS on the sidelines an no one cared!!!

It was LITERALLY the same "crime" the Patriots were accused of, and they got nothing but a letter of warning from the league!!
 
Hell, I forgot the best example:

The Panthers got caught red handed TAMPERING WITH FOOTBALLS on the sidelines an no one cared!!!

It was LITERALLY the same "crime" the Patriots were accused of, and they got nothing but a letter of warning from the league!!
The Chargers were caught with a towel covered in a sticky substance that they were rubbing on balls. Although they initially denied it and refused to hand over the towel, they eventually handed it over to the refs. The Chargers received a small fine which was dropped after they appealed.
 
But people will go on about "pattern of cheating" s.hit
 
I loved JetsInsider, but they sold out to Scout. Place f-in sucks now. It's why I occasionally remind you guys to contribute here, as I'm sure this place is getting offers to sell. Everyone from JIer split to a couple different forums. JetNation is pretty good and has basically become the new JIer.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. But if I'm gonna post potential negative Pat stuff, I want to make sure I'm free to take on the resulting onslaught. I.e. being at a computer and free instead of on my phone while running around.

Breaks for the Pats? Two huge ones I can think of immediately. Tuck rule and burning the spygate tapes.
Well you are off to a bad start. ;) Most of us have no problem being negative.....IF you make an attempt to back up your opinion with supporting evidence. The 2 huge breaks you point out here is why I said you are off to a bad start.

The tuck rule - How is that a break. It was a rule that no referee has ever said the official made the wrong call. Jet fans conveniently forget that the Jets BENEFITED for the exact same call in the very same year. Every team benefits from calls that the refs makes from time to time. Sometimes the refs are actually are wrong in their call. In this case they got it exactly right. How is that the Pats getting a break. And how is that the NYJ alumni club giving the Pats a break? The rule might have made no sense, but it was a rule and continued to be a rule for another decade.

Burning the spygate tapes - was actually the worst thing that ever happened to the Pats. EVERYone who actually saw those tapes confirmed they were exactly what they proposed to be. Film of the scoreboard giving down, distance, and time; then the shots of the Jets DC giving his signals. THAT's it. Rather than protecting the Pats, burning the tapes actually was a key reason that made the Pats looks suspicious. I too want to know why Roger burned those tapes.

Besides what most Haters fail to understand is that trying to steal signals was not against league rules. It NEVER has been against the rules, and isn't against the rules even today. What the Pats WERE guilty of was filming those signals from a spot the league had said they couldn't. The fact is the league had sent out a memo telling teams where the could tape any more, NOT that they couldn't tape. It was a ridiculous memo on the face of it. But it was a POLICY that the league had mandated. Bellichick WAS guilty of arrogance in ignoring a stupid policy, and deserved a rebuke from the league, but NOT the loss of a first round pick and the label of cheaters that the league never bothered to rebut, even though they are on record saying the Pats gained no unfair advantage by taping those signals, and knew every team in the league was taping, but doing it in the area the league mandated.

The real problem is JF79 is the Pats really DO have an unfair advantage on the league. His name is Bill Bellichick. Calling the Pats cheaters is an easy way for loser franchises to explain why the Pats win so consistently for so long and their franchises can't. They ignore that BB has been consistently ahead of the curve over the last 15 years. Briefly, he perfected the 3-4 defense when most of the league was running the 4-3. When his team got old, he still won by drafting well and being the first to successfully run a 2 TE offense that got to the superbowl in 2011 despite having the 31st rated defense. When everyone was going to the 3-4, BB went back to the 4-3 and started to really have defensive success running what basically was a 4-2-5. Finally in developing a linguistic system that allows him to plan both offensively and defensively week to week depending on the team

JF, when the margin of success is so very very slim between NFL teams to begin with, having a coaching staff that can do the things the Pats have done is the real reason the Pats have been so consistently s uccessful over such a long period of time (and of course having Tom Brady) But for some fans it is much easier to explain it all by claiming they cheat. But they have never cheated on the cap like Denver, SF, and the Cowboys. They never oiled their OL's jerseys like Denver. They never tampered with other people's talent like so many teams have done, INCLUDING the Jets. They haven't pumped in noise like the Colts and Falcons. They never went whining to the league like the Colts and Ravens to get rules changes that helped them and hurt the Pats And finally they never tampered with the footballs like the Jets did...and you know it.. Yet none of those teams have been labeled as cheaters like the Pats and it just is unfair and very frustrating for Pats fans who have to deal with it.

And that is why this post is so damned long. ;)
 
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yeah the jets fan is not trolling :rolleyes:
 
@Ross12 or another moderator, time to remove the jets troll
As of right now I enjoy having @JetFan79 around, he's witty enough and brings a valuable perspective to the board. Could be a hell of a lot worse for a Jets fan. Thanks for mentioning me though - definitely the easiest way to alert me!
 
Well you are off to a bad start. ;) Most of us have no problem being negative.....IF you make an attempt to back up your opinion with supporting evidence. The 2 huge breaks you point out here is why I said you are off to a bad start.

The tuck rule - How is that a break. It was a rule that no referee has ever said the official made the wrong call. Jet fans conveniently forget that the Jets BENEFITED for the exact same call in the very same year. Every team benefits from calls that the refs makes from time to time. Sometimes the refs are actually are wrong in their call. In this case they got it exactly right. How is that the Pats getting a break. And how is that the NYJ alumni club giving the Pats a break? The rule might have made no sense, but it was a rule and continued to be a rule for another decade.

Burning the spygate tapes - was actually the worst thing that ever happened to the Pats. EVERYone who actually saw those tapes confirmed they were exactly what they proposed to be. Film of the scoreboard giving down, distance, and time; then the shots of the Jets DC giving his signals. THAT's it. Rather than protecting the Pats, burning the tapes actually was a key reason that made the Pats looks suspicious. I too want to know why Roger burned those tapes.

Besides what most Haters fail to understand is that trying to steal signals was not against league rules. It NEVER has been against the rules, and isn't against the rules even today. What the Pats WERE guilty of was filming those signals from a spot the league had said they couldn't. The fact is the league had sent out a memo telling teams where the could tape any more, NOT that they couldn't tape. It was a ridiculous memo on the face of it. But it was a POLICY that the league had mandated. Bellichick WAS guilty of arrogance in ignoring a stupid policy, and deserved a rebuke from the league, but NOT the loss of a first round pick and the label of cheaters that the league never bothered to rebut, even though they are on record saying the Pats gained no unfair advantage by taping those signals, and knew every team in the league was taping, but doing it in the area the league mandated.

The real problem is JF79 is the Pats really DO have an unfair advantage on the league. His name is Bill Bellichick. Calling the Pats cheaters is an easy way for loser franchises to explain why the Pats win so consistently for so long and their franchises can't. They ignore that BB has been consistently ahead of the curve over the last 15 years. Briefly, he perfected the 3-4 defense when most of the league was running the 4-3. When his team got old, he still won by drafting well and being the first to successfully run a 2 TE offense that got to the superbowl in 2011 despite having the 31st rated defense. When everyone was going to the 3-4, BB went back to the 4-3 and started to really have defensive success running what basically was a 4-2-5. Finally in developing a linguistic system that allows him to plan both offensively and defensively week to week depending on the team

JF, when the margin of success is so very very slim between NFL teams to begin with, having a coaching staff that can do the things the Pats have done is the real reason the Pats have been so consistently s uccessful over such a long period of time (and of course having Tom Brady) But for some fans it is much easier to explain it all by claiming they cheat. But they have never cheated on the cap like Denver, SF, and the Cowboys. They never oiled their OL's jerseys like Denver. They never tampered with other people's talent like so many teams have done, INCLUDING the Jets. They haven't pumped in noise like the Colts and Falcons. They never went whining to the league like the Colts and Ravens to get rules changes that helped them and hurt the Pats And finally they never tampered with the footballs like the Jets did...and you know it.. Yet none of those teams have been labeled as cheaters like the Pats and it just is unfair and very frustrating for Pats fans who have to deal with it.

And that is why this post is so damned long. ;)
I'm a huge fan of your long posts. Whenever I read one, it reminds me of your posts during football season which I always look forward to.
 
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