Patriots 'part ways' with OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo

DaBruinz said:

Once you get outside the 1st round, getting an OT is hit or miss. And with the Patriots not having a 1st round pick, the chances of getting someone like Vollmer late in the 2nd round again is probably slim.

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Agree thats why I think we will draft two OTs.. one low-ceiling, steady and ready player and the other a high potential project..

State said:

Having JORDAN DEVEY start his first year remember that? What a c-----ter f--- that was. That was enough for me. Then having an never-ending parade of guys in different positions.

I never thought I'd miss Scar more than I did that game in Denver.

Remember hearing that guys weren't high on this fired coach?

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Devey was Scar's project not Googe's, though.

luuked said:

Agree thats why I think we will draft two OTs.. one low-ceiling, steady and ready player and the other a high potential project..

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Unless something major changes, Mayo is likely a cap casualty. Which means the Pats need someone at ILB. Freeny was an ok replacement, but certainly isn't the full time starter the Pats need for that position.. I could see the Patriots double dipping there.

As for OT, they have Solder, Vollmer, Cannon, Fleming, and possibly Waddle. I could see one late unless they decide to move on from Cannon and/or Vollmer. Adding 2. I'm not seeing it right now.. Maybe after the start of free agency if they have released Cannon and have found someone to take over as the swing tackle and/or starter..

Sunday night I decided Googe had been in over his head this year. Maybe he was overwhelmed by the injuries, maybe his work ethic was insufficient (what was that post saying Connolly had the o line come over for dinner and film watching? Wtf?!?!?). Whatever the reason, he was not getting the job done much of the year. One vivid example was Vollmer standing there looking for someone to block while Broncos ran past on both sides of him. Obviously poorly prepared.

DaBruinz said:

You have clearly shown you do not understand all the concepts that are needed to even begin talking about the O-line, the smarts that are required to play on the O-line, and all the scheming /techniques used by O-linemen. Until you have anything more than a basic "his only job is.... " you can't be part of the conversation.

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Maybe you didn't intend this post to be arrogant but it is. Some people know less and some know more about various subjects. For example, I am a rank beginner on gambling protocol and I learned a lot from the posts on QuantumMechanic's excellent thread he started on point spreads a few days ago. No one told me I shouldn't post in that thread.

Neither you nor I have any business telling another another poster that he or she "can't be part of the conversation." It's Ian's site and only he can tell people that. While you often make an enlightening contribution to many threads here, exactly what football credentials you have that permit you to act this way is a mystery to me.

DaBruinz said:

Scar had much more say over the players than Googs did. That's been stated by numerous guys (Price, Howe, Curran, etc). Scar is the one who put the players through their paces at the combine. This was reported extensively.

What you choose to believe and what is fact clearly are two different things.

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Googs was clearly the guy leading the O-linemen at the 2014 & 2015 combine. I didn't have to rely on a report. I saw who it was during the combine TV coverage. If you can find footage on NFL.com of those combines, and I'm pretty sure it exists, you can see it too.

And just because Scar had input in 2014 & 2015 (I'm taking your word for it) doesn't mean Googs "had no say" as his apologists claim.

TheRazorsEdge said:

Except that ... It has been noted that Scar was heavily involved in the recruiting, scouting and drafting process of the guys we got the last 2 years

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That doesn't mean Scar recommended guys for his system. Look at the ht/wt and combine numbers. The type of OL we drafted clearly changed from when Dante was the OL coach to when Googs was the coach. I cannot believe Googs didn't at least have some part in that.

chasa said:

bye felicia.

We have not had a good running game in what 3 years? 4? 10?

until we get a coach in here that can teach the link to open running lanes Brady will keep having to carry the team.

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Yeah, the running game really sucked in the AFCCG last year.

Peachhead said:

That doesn't mean Scar recommended guys for his system. Look at the ht/wt and combine numbers. The type of OL we drafted clearly changed from when Dante was the OL coach to when Googs was the coach. I cannot believe Googs didn't at least have some part in that.

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I'm sure he had SOME say. Etheir way, its history now. We're onto next year.

Jackson 2 said:

Yeah, the running game really sucked in the AFCCG last year.

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They need Lewis to return at or near pre-injury form and go out and get a solid starting running back via free agency/draft/both.

If the game was in foxborough, this wouldnt happen, cause there wouldnt be noise, Teddy Bruschi said that Stork made some robotics silent snap and is easy for defense to read that. They would beat Broncos easily.

Oline was problem from last year when Devey was starter. Cmon Devey.
They drafted Fleming, Stork, Mason and Jackson all in round 4 in last two drafts. So they should be fine. Where was Richards as 2rounder. That is on BB only. and not on Googs.

robertweathers said:

Judge came up through the ranks here. He'll be fine.

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Pepper Johnson came up through the ranks (13 years) here too. I agree that he'll be fine for another season, but he needs to do a better job next season, or he'll get replaced.

Jackson 2 said:

Yeah, the running game really sucked in the AFCCG last year.

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Oh we did good in 1/37th of the games we played? I guess im wrong.

Lets be real here, the running game has been good exactly three times in the last 3 years. vs the colts, vs the colts, and... vs the colts. Blount, Grey, Blount.

Dion lewis is a difference maker, but even with him, we would have been in the lower half in the league in rushing yards.

chasa said:

Oh we did good in 1/37th of the games we played? I guess im wrong.

Lets be real here, the running game has been good exactly three times in the last 3 years. vs the colts, vs the colts, and... vs the colts. Blount, Grey, Blount.

Dion lewis is a difference maker, but even with him, we would have been in the lower half in the league in rushing yards.

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This idea that in order to be successful in today's NFL you need a prolific running game is BS. That type of antiquated thinking would be consistent with bringing the Wright Brothers back to run Southwest Airlines. Because the Patriots don't run the ball doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to if they chose to build their team that way. Wisely, they haven't. Every single down they ran the ball this past Sunday was wasted, except for Jackson's 2 yard rip-roaring charge into the end zone.

TomPatriot said:

Maybe you didn't intend this post to be arrogant but it is. Some people know less and some know more about various subjects. For example, I am a rank beginner on gambling protocol and I learned a lot from the posts on QuantumMechanic's excellent thread he started on point spreads a few days ago. No one told me I shouldn't post in that thread.

Neither you nor I have any business telling another another poster that he or she "can't be part of the conversation." It's Ian's site and only he can tell people that. While you often make an enlightening contribution to many threads here, exactly what football credentials you have that permit you to act this way is a mystery to me.

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Instead of getting on your soap box and trying to be holier than thou, you should read the entire thread to this point so you can have an informed opinion instead of just some half-assed holier than thou speech. And please don't try and claim that you have because it's plainly clear that you haven't.

If you had read the thread, you'd know that ensoul's idea of what it takes to be an O-lineman is insulting to O-linemen. And despite people telling him otherwise, he's continued to spew his crap. No, he hasn't asked questions. No he hasn't shown a willingness to be open to responses from people because numerous people other than myself have attempted to educate him and he still says the same crap. That the O-line job is simple and that it doesn't take smarts to play it.

Next, clearly you don't understand what "you can't be part of the conversation" really means. It's a nice way of telling someone that their opinion is garbage and they don't know what they are talking about.

So, the only one being arrogant, is you. Because you felt the need to throw in your two cents without knowing the situation and feeling like you knew what you were talking about when, in reality, you were clueless. The irony here is amazing..

P.S.. Knowing less about a subject means you should be asking questions. Not making blanket uninformed statements about a subject..

chasa said:

Oh we did good in 1/37th of the games we played? I guess im wrong.

Lets be real here, the running game has been good exactly three times in the last 3 years. vs the colts, vs the colts, and... vs the colts. Blount, Grey, Blount.

Dion lewis is a difference maker, but even with him, we would have been in the lower half in the league in rushing yards.

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The only time the Patriots have not been a pass first offense was when they had Corey Dillon in 2004.. Besides that, they've always been pass first with the running game an afterthought.

You are also forgetting Minnesota and Cinncinnati in 2014, and Indy, Buffalo x2, New Orleans, Pittsburgh in 2013..

But, again, this team is a pass first offense..

mihap said:

If the game was in foxborough, this wouldnt happen, cause there wouldnt be noise, Teddy Bruschi said that Stork made some robotics silent snap and is easy for defense to read that. They would beat Broncos easily.

Oline was problem from last year when Devey was starter. Cmon Devey.
They drafted Fleming, Stork, Mason and Jackson all in round 4 in last two drafts. So they should be fine. Where was Richards as 2rounder. That is on BB only. and not on Googs.

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Richards was out there on special teams and subbing in behind Harmon and Chung.. Did he make some rookie mistakes? Sure. He's a rookie. But, overall, he played better than most people expected.

Be honest. Are you one of the people who have been complaining about Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon as well??

All things considered ...we made the AFC Championship starting 3 rookie interior offensive linemen (Mason,Andrews,Jackson), a second year center (who was bounced out to RT for a game and LG here and thee as well) who missed a considerable amount of time with serious injury. Lost our best most experienced olineman who just also happens to be our left tackle early on. Had to pluck our second best lineman from his natural position (he also was hurt)..lost Wendell and oconnolly.

When the emotions of the loss wears off and we can start actually getting up for next season..its really not AS bad as it looks. The concern for the future is justified , but if this squad comes back healthier next year with a little more experience and a chip on their shoulders they can end up being pretty successful (so long as cannon is gone)

DaBruinz said:

You can't tell which one blew the assignment. It could have been Mason. It could have been Cannon. You don't know.

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I don't know. I think the only way Cannon is off the hook is if his assignment was to block nobody.

Ross12 said:

Why the heck did you censor "cluster"?

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Ross there are women and children in this forum, watch your mouth. I cannot believe you typed out that word here on patsfans.